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Message 21 of 993 (798023)
01-30-2017 11:57 AM
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01-30-2017 7:57 AM


Pictures worth a thousand words
Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response
Better ban beds.
Here's a discussion from Townhall of the legality of Trump's executive order ...
So all of Obama's executive orders were legal. Good to know. Such expertise.
It is also legal for judges to halt the ban.
quote:
Judge halts deportations as refugee ban causes worldwide furor
A federal judge in New York blocked deportations nationwide late Saturday of those detained on entry to the United States after an executive order from President Trump targeted citizens from seven predominantly Muslim countries.
Judge Ann Donnelly of the U.S. District Court in Brooklyn granted a request from the American Civil Liberties Union to stop the deportations after determining that the risk of injury to those detained by being returned to their home countries necessitated the decision.
Minutes after the judge’s ruling in New York, another came in Alexandria when U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema issued a temporary restraining order to block for seven days the removal of any green-card holders being detained at Dulles International Airport. Brinkema’s action also ordered that lawyers have access to those held there because of the ban.
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Message 37 of 993 (798047)
01-30-2017 1:23 PM
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01-30-2017 12:13 PM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
How silly. Jihadists aren't going to attack in great numbers until they've built up a sufficient population to take over a nation. ...
Paranoid delusion. Whacko alt right world based on fantasy.
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Message 43 of 993 (798057)
01-30-2017 2:56 PM
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Maybe they are qualifying the numbers with something like "Number of Americans killed on American soil" but the heading doesn't say that. ...
Indeed it doesn't say that, but the issue is about immigrants and people in the US killing Americans.
The other chart in Message 21 is a bit clearer on that (it would be hard to imagine foreign beds being deadly here.
... I get the basic premise, that our fears are misplaced, but for those numbers to be zero... just seems unrealistic. For example, we fought a war with Iraq during that time frame and certainly some of their citizens killed Americans. Likewise in Somalia and Syria. ...
Indeed I would expect that any country that the US invades in their perpetual war game some people would fight back, even if it were a losing proposition, or they would leave (thus the immigrant problem is OUR making).
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Message 79 of 993 (798117)
01-31-2017 7:40 AM
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01-30-2017 1:35 PM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
If you want to know, which I suspect you don't, because you like the delusion that Islam is just a benign peaceful religion, which already takes an amazing level of delusion considering the information that is readily available all over the internet, including of course their occasional indulgence in murder in honor of Allah.
Actually I distinguish between terrorists, fundamentalists and moderates, just as we have here with Christians: terrorists that bomb clinics and assassinate doctors, fundamentalists that say their opinion is better than others, and moderates that accept other people can have different views and still be moral law abiding citizens.
You paint ALL Muslims with a broad brush covered in tar as members of ISIS ... which curiously kills more Muslims than Christians ... because that is what terrorists do ...
The delusion is yours. I read this a year before 9/11 in the book "Philistine" by Ramon Bennett, which QUOTES many Muslim leaders in the Arab world saying quite clearly that their strategy is to populate other countries to the point that they have enough population to take the country for Allah. But of course you like most people here don't want to know the truth. Since that book was written there has been a steady movement in that very direction. I've mentioned this book before. I'm sure it's not the only source of this information. Probably Jihad Watch is one good internet source.
A book. Really.
Rather than blaming a whole religion and culture you should be looking at people who are radicalized.
quote:
Loner student 'who liked Trump, Le Pen and mocked Syrian refugees online' is charged with six counts of murder for gunning down Muslim men as they prayed in a Quebec City mosque
  • Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said there was 'no mistake' it was a terrorist attack against Muslims
  • He held a minute's silence in the House of Commons on Monday and told Canadian Muslims: 'We will love you'
The 27-year-old student was described by classmates as a pro-Trump loner who did not fit in well at Laval University where is studying anthropology and political sciences. But neighbors of the family home in the affluent Quebec suburb of Cap Rouge were stunned to learn Bissonnette, described as a 'typical boy-next-door', was being accused of the shooting.
Students described him to DailyMail.com as a pro-Trump loner but a timid man who didn't seem capable of committing an act of terror.
'Based on the conversations that I had with him during the American presidential campaign, it's true he is pro-Trump,' the student, who asked to remain anonymous, said.
This white christian terrorist action occurred just after Trump issued his Muslim ban. Did Trump's views radicalize him, promote him to become a terrorist?
We also have
Are these people being radicalized into acts of terror by Trump? If you think not then what is your explanation for this increase in home grown (mostly white christian) terrorist activity?
Do you support these radicalized homegrown terrorist actions?
quote:
KKK, other racist groups disavow the white supremacist label
In today's racially charged environment, there's a label that even the KKK disavows: white supremacy.
Standing on a muddy dirt road in the dead of night near the North Carolina-Virginia border, masked Ku Klux Klan members claimed Donald Trump's election as president proves whites are taking back America from blacks, immigrants, Jews and other groups they describe as criminals and freeloaders. America was founded by and for whites, they say, and only whites can run a peaceful, productive society.
So I guess all that lynching and burning and bombing and killing wasn't terrorism to drive non-white non-Christian people away or to suppress their activity. Right.
Do you support the KKK or their actions?
If you are truly worried about being killed by a terrorist, the likelihood is higher that it will be a white christian homegrown terrorist than an immigrant Muslim.
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Message 82 of 993 (798120)
01-31-2017 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Dr Adequate
01-30-2017 3:09 PM


Trump fires Acting Attorney General
"Whatever is right in response to the stay" is to obey it, not to behave like the tinpot dictator of a banana republic.
quote:
Trump Fires Acting Attorney General Who Defied Him
President Trump fired his acting attorney general on Monday night, removing her as the nation’s top law enforcement officer after she defiantly refused to defend his executive order closing the nation’s borders to refugees and people from predominantly Muslim countries.
In an escalating crisis for his 10-day-old administration, the president declared in a statement that Sally Q. Yates, who had served as deputy attorney general under President Barack Obama, had betrayed the administration by announcing that Justice Department lawyers would not defend Mr. Trump’s order against legal challenges.
Monday’s events have transformed the confirmation of Mr. Sessions into a referendum on Mr. Trump’s immigration order. Action in the Senate could come as early as Tuesday.
Ms. Yates’s order was a remarkable rebuke by a government official to a sitting president, and it recalled the so-called Saturday Night Massacre in 1973, when President Richard M. Nixon fired his attorney general and deputy attorney general for refusing to dismiss the special prosecutor in the Watergate case.
So 10 days in, and he's acting like "tricky dicky" Nixon in his efforts to avoid impeachment.
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Message 94 of 993 (798138)
01-31-2017 9:55 AM
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01-31-2017 8:37 AM


Re: Trump fires Acting Attorney General
Unfortunately, it will probably be that those who oppose him will be Democrats and "liberals" and so opposition will appear to be strictly partisan. However, I sure hope that Republicans will recognize his recklessness and bullying and oppose him as well. But it appears he is loading his administration up with 'Yes' men who think like he does.
Yes, CEOs are used to behaving as dictators\emperors\kings because that is the model they use to run the companies. Doesn't have to be that way.
quote:
McCain, Graham lead in GOP criticism of Trump ban, many others stay mum
Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina broke the GOP silence on Capitol Hill on Sunday to issue a scathing condemnation of President Donald Trump's ban on travel to the United States from seven Muslim-majority countries.
"We fear this executive order will become a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism," McCain and Graham said in a joint statement, adding that Trump's executive order "may do more to help terrorist recruitment than improve our security."
Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker said Sunday the administration should immediately make revisions to the executive order.
"We all share a desire to protect the American people, but this executive order has been poorly implemented, especially with respect to green card holders," said Corker. "The administration should immediately make appropriate revisions, and it is my hope that following a thorough review and implementation of security enhancements that many of these programs will be improved and reinstated."
It was the strongest criticism Trump has faced yet from the right, as congressional leaders largely deflect questions about the ban and aides say Trump is doing exactly what he pledged he'd do on the campaign trail.
... I sure hope that Republicans will recognize his recklessness and bullying and oppose him as well. ...
TrumpleThinSkin immediately tried to bully and denigrate them. He'd rather make enemies than back down, and I expect this trend to continue.
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Message 95 of 993 (798141)
01-31-2017 10:41 AM
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01-31-2017 8:46 AM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
And No, I do not treat all Muslims as members of ISIS, it is ISLAM, not MUSLIMS, ...
Islam is the religion of Muslims, you can't be Muslim without Islam. What you really mean is radicalized Muslim Fundamentalist Terrorists, eg ISIS, Al-Queda, etc.
... Most Muslims don't live their religion to the point that the radicals do. ...
Correct, just as most Christians don't live their religion to the point that the radicals (the radicalized fundamentalist Christian terrorists) do.
... But the problem is that the religion itself demands violence from them if they ever do become more devoted to it. ...
Just as the Christian religion demands violence from people that "become more devoted to it."
Can you tell me what perceived crimes Islam demands stoning for that are not also mentioned in the bible?
  • Racist Incidents Are Up Since Donald Trump's Election ...
  • Hundreds of Hate Crimes Reported Since Election: SPLC ...
  • Tracking Hate since Trump's election - thinkprogress.org
  • Update: Incidents of Hateful Harassment Since Election Day ...
  • Post-Election Hate Crimes Roughly Seven Times Higher than ...
My guess is that this whole list is a pack of lies designed to imply that if such incidents occurred at all they were by Trump supporters, WHEN IN FACT ALL THE KNOWN DOCUMENTED INCIDENTS HAVE BEEN BY ANTI-TRUMP SUPPORTERS AGAINST TRUMP SUPPORTERS. ...
Of course you think it is lies. That is how you defend your opinions from reality.
Now I don't deny that some people have reacted to Trump supporters with violence, but that does not negate the fact that racist attacks and hate crime attacks are up.
This increase in violence on both sides is due to the divisiveness of the Trump programs.
If he truly wants to make America Great Again, then he should be working to unify people with love, not hate.
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Message 96 of 993 (798142)
01-31-2017 10:47 AM
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01-31-2017 9:09 AM


Re: Trump fires Acting Attorney General
They should have confirmed Sessions by now ...
Sessions is a racist bigot that was deemed to be unfit to be a federal judge because of his views.
That makes him de Facto unfit to be Attorney General. I would not be surprised to see several republicans vote against him due to this fear\hate driven arbitrary and ultimately useless ban and the furor that has resulted from it.
... In fact isn't that likely the reason they are dragging their feet on confirming his appointees, ...
No, it is likely due to the fact that several of them are not fit for the positions.
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Message 98 of 993 (798151)
01-31-2017 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by New Cat's Eye
01-31-2017 12:20 PM


just incompetence
Therefore I find it credible that Trump's precipitate action was, in fact, illegal.
I'm not buying it. What would be the crime that he committed? Signing a flawed Executive Order? Is that illegal?
And I agree he had the right to issue the executive order. What he signed though, shows vast incompetence in managing how government works and a failure to understand the difference between government and the feudal business model he is used to.
That he either doesn't understand the consequences or is just ignoring them (typical Trump) doesn't change the fact that this is poorly thought out, poorly implemented and ridiculous in which countries are included and which are excluded.
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Message 116 of 993 (798174)
01-31-2017 2:42 PM
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Re: just incompetence
You don't know how thought out it is, but I agree that it was poorly implemented. And the countries were picked beforehand so that ridicule isn't on Trump.
More likely it comes through Bannon (he controls how the edicts are written). What is certainly curious to anyone who looks into it further, it that all the countries NOT included are ones where Trump has business interests;
If we can get Safe Zones set up in the Middle East, supported by other countries, and start getting the refugees to work rebuilding their own country, then don't you think that would be better than dispersing them across the globe? Both for them and their region?
This is another curious thing to me, he talks about setting up Safe Zones in the Middle East, but then criticizes and threatens retaliation to cities in the US that set up Safe Zones for existing citizens and residents. Leads me to wonder "safe" from who?
It's, like, his first week... let him get some OJT in
If he needed job training maybe he should have taken a course (but not from Trump University).
And I remind everyone of how much slack the republicans gave Obama. Our No. 1 priority is to make this president a one-term president,’ says Rendell, citing the remark made by Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader, ... "
Just like Democrat resistance to appointments mirrors the treatment of Obama's appointments by the republicans. If enough republicans vote against Sessions because of this ban issue that would be Karma.
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Message 168 of 993 (798282)
02-01-2017 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by NoNukes
01-31-2017 1:03 PM


Re: just incompetence
An order directing a federal agency to commit illegal activity is not legal. ... Issuing such an order is not, however, a criminal act.
And we don't really know that for sure until it has been through our court system. So far we have injunctions to prevent implementation until it is reviewed in the courts and the lawsuits alleging it is illegal\unconstitutional.
... What is a punishable act is disobeying a court order to cease and desist.
Indeed, and it appears that several people have disobeyed the court order, so this will get more interesting.
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Message 169 of 993 (798283)
02-01-2017 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
01-31-2017 1:09 PM


Re: Trump fires Acting Attorney General
There are other sources for this information, if you actually care to look for the truth of the matter.
quote:
That time the Senate denied Jeff Sessions a federal judgeship over accusations of racism
Shortly into the confirmation hearing for President-elect Donald Trump's pick for attorney general Tuesday, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) may have felt some nominee dj vu.
Back in 1986, Sessions was a 39-year-old U.S. attorney for Alabama when President Ronald Reagan's administration nominated him to serve as a federal judge.
The position requires approval from the Senate. And as Sessions settled in for review by the Senate Judiciary Committee, his career in law was almost destroyed when former colleagues brought forward troubling accusations about things Sessions had said to them with regard to race.
This Tuesday morning, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the top Democrat on the Senate committee reviewing Sessions's nomination, read a letter from more than 1,000 legal scholars at law schools across the country who questioned whether Sessions had changed since the Senate committee rejected his nomination for a federal judgeship.
This is OLD news, Faith.
quote:
Snopes: End of Sessions
The late civil rights activist wrote in 1986 that appointing Sessions as a federal judge would 'irreparably damage' her husband's work
TRUE
Claim: Coretta Scott King wrote a letter opposing Jeff Session's confirmation for appointment as a federal judge.
Origin:Alabama senator Jeff Sessions was nominated by President-elect Donald Trump to serve as his administration's Attorney General, and as Sessions' confirmation hearings unfolded in January 2017, criticism of his record by civil rights activist Coretta Scott King resurfaced after two decades.
Coretta Scott King, who founded the King Center for Nonviolent Change following the 1968 assassination of her husband, civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., wrote the Senate Judiciary Committee in March 1986 urging the committee not to confirm Sessions' appointment as a federal judge.
The letter was never entered into the congressional record by the committee head, Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina, but the Washington Post published it in its entirety on 10 January 2017.
King's letter accused Sessions of abusing his authority while investigating voter fraud allegations two years earlier as a federal prosecutor in Alabama, stating in part:
In initiating the case, Mr. Sessions ignored allegations of similar behaviors by whites, choosing instead to chill the exercise of the franchise by blacks because of his misguided investigation. In fact, Mr. Sessions sought to punish older black civil rights activists, advisors, and colleagues of my husband, who had been key figures in the civil rights movement of the 1960s. These were persons who, realizing the potential of the absentee vote among Blacks, had learned to use the process within the bounds of legality and had taught others to do the same. Their only sin the committed was being too successful in gaining votes.
Making Sessions a federal judge, she wrote, "would irreparably damage the work of my husband" and other advocates for voting rights:
Sessions' judicial nomination was ultimately denied, ...
quote:
Failed nomination to the district court
On June 5, 1986, the Committee voted 10—8 against recommending the nomination to the Senate floor, with Republican Senators Charles Mathias of Maryland and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania voting with the Democrats. It then split 9—9 on a vote to send Sessions' nomination to the Senate floor with no recommendation, this time with Specter in support. A majority was required for the nomination to proceed.[35] The pivotal votes against Sessions came from his home state's Democratic Senator Howell Heflin of Alabama. Although Heflin had previously backed Sessions, he began to oppose Sessions after hearing testimony, concluding that there were "reasonable doubts" over Sessions' ability to be "fair and impartial." The nomination was withdrawn on July 31, 1986.[21]
So Faith, it is a FACT that Session was denied the federal judge position because of his racist views (and actions).
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Message 171 of 993 (798289)
02-01-2017 3:32 PM
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Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
THE EVIDENCE is that it is lies intended to smear Trump ...
And I think Modulous and NoNukes have adequately covered the truths of the matter.
All you have to do is look up "hate Crime statistics" ... here's one example
quote:
FBI: Hate crimes spike, most sharply against Muslims (CNN)
The Southern Poverty Law Center has tracked 892 hate groups operating in the United States. The civil rights organization has also cited 300 cases of hateful harassment or intimidation in the United States since Election Day.
As a candidate, President-elect Donald Trump was accused of fueling xenophobia and Islamophobia, using words some people have echoed as validation to carry out hateful crimes.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, said it found the FBI hate crime statistics alarming, and encouraged "the nation's leaders to repudiate growing Islamophobia" in a statement released Monday.
"We witnessed a sharp jump in anti-Muslim incidents nationwide last year, with that spike in Islamophobia continuing through 2016 and accelerating after the November 8 election," said CAIR Government Affairs Director Robert McCaw.
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Message 173 of 993 (798299)
02-01-2017 4:31 PM
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Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
Islam is the religion of Muslims, you can't be Muslim without Islam. What you really mean is radicalized Muslim Fundamentalist Terrorists, eg ISIS, Al-Queda, etc.
No, I said what I meant. It is the religion of Islam that promotes all those radical movements IF a Muslim wants to follow that part of the religion. It's there on the books if he is so inclined. Fortunately most Muslims aren't so inclined, but there is always the potential for that BECAUSE the violent jihadist directives ARE in their sacred books.
And the same can be said about Christianity.
quote:
Difference between Islam and Muslim
Islam vs Muslim:
There is absolutely no doubt that the words Islam and Muslim indeed go hand in hand. Islam is a religion whereas Muslim is an individual, an object or a theory that pertains to Islam, the religion. However, these two words are not to be mistaken or confused with one another in any case as even though they do belong to the same context, the words Islam and Muslim are used in different ways which must be properly understood prior to employing them in any context.
Islam is a religion, a Muslim is a person who follows that religion, as I said before you can't be a Muslim without Islam.
Christianity is a religion, a Christian is a person who follows that religion.
There is no such thing as a Christian terrorist acting on Christian principles. Any such behavior is CONTRARY to Christian principles, which is not the case with Islam.
Obviously false, as has been pointed out. They may not be acting on your Christian principles, but they are acting on their Christian principles. Just as radicalized Islamic terrorists act on their interpretation of Islamic principles, so too do radicalized Christian terrorists act on their interpretation of Christian principles.
Now I notice you did not answer my question.
Can you tell me what perceived crimes Islam demands stoning for that are not also mentioned in the bible?
Inquiring minds want to know
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Re: Trump fires Acting Attorney General
Coretta King was misled. Sessions has a good civil rights record, and plenty of others have said so.
Stop telling falsehoods faith.
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