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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response Better ban beds.
Here's a discussion from Townhall of the legality of Trump's executive order ... So all of Obama's executive orders were legal. Good to know. Such expertise. It is also legal for judges to halt the ban.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
How silly. Jihadists aren't going to attack in great numbers until they've built up a sufficient population to take over a nation. ... Paranoid delusion. Whacko alt right world based on fantasy. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Maybe they are qualifying the numbers with something like "Number of Americans killed on American soil" but the heading doesn't say that. ... Indeed it doesn't say that, but the issue is about immigrants and people in the US killing Americans. The other chart in Message 21 is a bit clearer on that (it would be hard to imagine foreign beds being deadly here.
... I get the basic premise, that our fears are misplaced, but for those numbers to be zero... just seems unrealistic. For example, we fought a war with Iraq during that time frame and certainly some of their citizens killed Americans. Likewise in Somalia and Syria. ... Indeed I would expect that any country that the US invades in their perpetual war game some people would fight back, even if it were a losing proposition, or they would leave (thus the immigrant problem is OUR making). Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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If you want to know, which I suspect you don't, because you like the delusion that Islam is just a benign peaceful religion, which already takes an amazing level of delusion considering the information that is readily available all over the internet, including of course their occasional indulgence in murder in honor of Allah. Actually I distinguish between terrorists, fundamentalists and moderates, just as we have here with Christians: terrorists that bomb clinics and assassinate doctors, fundamentalists that say their opinion is better than others, and moderates that accept other people can have different views and still be moral law abiding citizens. You paint ALL Muslims with a broad brush covered in tar as members of ISIS ... which curiously kills more Muslims than Christians ... because that is what terrorists do ...
The delusion is yours. I read this a year before 9/11 in the book "Philistine" by Ramon Bennett, which QUOTES many Muslim leaders in the Arab world saying quite clearly that their strategy is to populate other countries to the point that they have enough population to take the country for Allah. But of course you like most people here don't want to know the truth. Since that book was written there has been a steady movement in that very direction. I've mentioned this book before. I'm sure it's not the only source of this information. Probably Jihad Watch is one good internet source. A book. Really. Rather than blaming a whole religion and culture you should be looking at people who are radicalized.
quote: This white christian terrorist action occurred just after Trump issued his Muslim ban. Did Trump's views radicalize him, promote him to become a terrorist? We also have
Are these people being radicalized into acts of terror by Trump? If you think not then what is your explanation for this increase in home grown (mostly white christian) terrorist activity? Do you support these radicalized homegrown terrorist actions?
quote: So I guess all that lynching and burning and bombing and killing wasn't terrorism to drive non-white non-Christian people away or to suppress their activity. Right. Do you support the KKK or their actions? If you are truly worried about being killed by a terrorist, the likelihood is higher that it will be a white christian homegrown terrorist than an immigrant Muslim. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
"Whatever is right in response to the stay" is to obey it, not to behave like the tinpot dictator of a banana republic. quote: So 10 days in, and he's acting like "tricky dicky" Nixon in his efforts to avoid impeachment. "tinpot dictator" indeed by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Unfortunately, it will probably be that those who oppose him will be Democrats and "liberals" and so opposition will appear to be strictly partisan. However, I sure hope that Republicans will recognize his recklessness and bullying and oppose him as well. But it appears he is loading his administration up with 'Yes' men who think like he does. Yes, CEOs are used to behaving as dictators\emperors\kings because that is the model they use to run the companies. Doesn't have to be that way.
quote: ... I sure hope that Republicans will recognize his recklessness and bullying and oppose him as well. ... TrumpleThinSkin immediately tried to bully and denigrate them. He'd rather make enemies than back down, and I expect this trend to continue. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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And No, I do not treat all Muslims as members of ISIS, it is ISLAM, not MUSLIMS, ... Islam is the religion of Muslims, you can't be Muslim without Islam. What you really mean is radicalized Muslim Fundamentalist Terrorists, eg ISIS, Al-Queda, etc.
... Most Muslims don't live their religion to the point that the radicals do. ... Correct, just as most Christians don't live their religion to the point that the radicals (the radicalized fundamentalist Christian terrorists) do.
... But the problem is that the religion itself demands violence from them if they ever do become more devoted to it. ... Just as the Christian religion demands violence from people that "become more devoted to it." Can you tell me what perceived crimes Islam demands stoning for that are not also mentioned in the bible?
My guess is that this whole list is a pack of lies designed to imply that if such incidents occurred at all they were by Trump supporters, WHEN IN FACT ALL THE KNOWN DOCUMENTED INCIDENTS HAVE BEEN BY ANTI-TRUMP SUPPORTERS AGAINST TRUMP SUPPORTERS. ... Of course you think it is lies. That is how you defend your opinions from reality. Now I don't deny that some people have reacted to Trump supporters with violence, but that does not negate the fact that racist attacks and hate crime attacks are up. This increase in violence on both sides is due to the divisiveness of the Trump programs. If he truly wants to make America Great Again, then he should be working to unify people with love, not hate. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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They should have confirmed Sessions by now ... Sessions is a racist bigot that was deemed to be unfit to be a federal judge because of his views. That makes him de Facto unfit to be Attorney General. I would not be surprised to see several republicans vote against him due to this fear\hate driven arbitrary and ultimately useless ban and the furor that has resulted from it.
... In fact isn't that likely the reason they are dragging their feet on confirming his appointees, ... No, it is likely due to the fact that several of them are not fit for the positions. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Therefore I find it credible that Trump's precipitate action was, in fact, illegal. I'm not buying it. What would be the crime that he committed? Signing a flawed Executive Order? Is that illegal? And I agree he had the right to issue the executive order. What he signed though, shows vast incompetence in managing how government works and a failure to understand the difference between government and the feudal business model he is used to. That he either doesn't understand the consequences or is just ignoring them (typical Trump) doesn't change the fact that this is poorly thought out, poorly implemented and ridiculous in which countries are included and which are excluded. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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You don't know how thought out it is, but I agree that it was poorly implemented. And the countries were picked beforehand so that ridicule isn't on Trump. More likely it comes through Bannon (he controls how the edicts are written). What is certainly curious to anyone who looks into it further, it that all the countries NOT included are ones where Trump has business interests;
If we can get Safe Zones set up in the Middle East, supported by other countries, and start getting the refugees to work rebuilding their own country, then don't you think that would be better than dispersing them across the globe? Both for them and their region? This is another curious thing to me, he talks about setting up Safe Zones in the Middle East, but then criticizes and threatens retaliation to cities in the US that set up Safe Zones for existing citizens and residents. Leads me to wonder "safe" from who?
It's, like, his first week... let him get some OJT in If he needed job training maybe he should have taken a course (but not from Trump University). And I remind everyone of how much slack the republicans gave Obama. Our No. 1 priority is to make this president a one-term president,’ says Rendell, citing the remark made by Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader, ... " Just like Democrat resistance to appointments mirrors the treatment of Obama's appointments by the republicans. If enough republicans vote against Sessions because of this ban issue that would be Karma. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
An order directing a federal agency to commit illegal activity is not legal. ... Issuing such an order is not, however, a criminal act. And we don't really know that for sure until it has been through our court system. So far we have injunctions to prevent implementation until it is reviewed in the courts and the lawsuits alleging it is illegal\unconstitutional.
... What is a punishable act is disobeying a court order to cease and desist. Indeed, and it appears that several people have disobeyed the court order, so this will get more interesting. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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There are other sources for this information, if you actually care to look for the truth of the matter.
quote: This is OLD news, Faith.
quote: quote: So Faith, it is a FACT that Session was denied the federal judge position because of his racist views (and actions). Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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THE EVIDENCE is that it is lies intended to smear Trump ... And I think Modulous and NoNukes have adequately covered the truths of the matter. All you have to do is look up "hate Crime statistics" ... here's one example
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Islam is the religion of Muslims, you can't be Muslim without Islam. What you really mean is radicalized Muslim Fundamentalist Terrorists, eg ISIS, Al-Queda, etc. No, I said what I meant. It is the religion of Islam that promotes all those radical movements IF a Muslim wants to follow that part of the religion. It's there on the books if he is so inclined. Fortunately most Muslims aren't so inclined, but there is always the potential for that BECAUSE the violent jihadist directives ARE in their sacred books. And the same can be said about Christianity.
quote: Islam is a religion, a Muslim is a person who follows that religion, as I said before you can't be a Muslim without Islam. Christianity is a religion, a Christian is a person who follows that religion.
There is no such thing as a Christian terrorist acting on Christian principles. Any such behavior is CONTRARY to Christian principles, which is not the case with Islam. Obviously false, as has been pointed out. They may not be acting on your Christian principles, but they are acting on their Christian principles. Just as radicalized Islamic terrorists act on their interpretation of Islamic principles, so too do radicalized Christian terrorists act on their interpretation of Christian principles. Now I notice you did not answer my question.
Can you tell me what perceived crimes Islam demands stoning for that are not also mentioned in the bible? Inquiring minds want to know Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Coretta King was misled. Sessions has a good civil rights record, and plenty of others have said so. Stop telling falsehoods faith. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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