Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response

First you are confusing the Roman Catholic church with Christianity. I know every time I say this I'm met with angry incredulity but the evidence is there. Over the centuries after the papacy was established in 606 AD they just kept accumulating pagan superstitions and antichristian beliefs and practices and acquired a zeal for worldly power which is NOT Christian. The average Catholic may be a Christian nevertheless, but the institution is anything but. The pope had kings intimidated for centuries. And they murdered all "heretics" just as Islam does -- most of them early Protestants or Bible believers by the way, which most unbelievers don't know. (In fact Reformation theologians treated the Pope as one leg of the Antichrist and Islam as the other. Islam arose around the same time the Bishop of Rome was given universal jurisdiction over the church by the Byzantine emperior. Islam immediately started conquering people by the sword starting with the Middle East which was at that time largely Christian, and spreading through Europe, murdering as they went. It took the Pope a while to catch up but the Inquisition killed something like 67 million over its 600 year reign. I think it's getting worse in our time with the RCC's molestations and various sins showing up in "evangelical" contexts too. But there are still true Christian churches, and I assume there are true Christians as well in the Roman Church.But the essential difference between Christianity and Islam is that the Bible orders us to be meek, while the "holy books" of Islam order them to kill the infidel. When they murder they are obeying Allah, when Christians murderl they are disobeying Jehovah/Jesus. This is just wrong. Both religions are religions of a book or holy writings. Ours forbids us from murder, theirs is all over the map saying different things at different times but one thing they definitely do say is Kill the Infidel.The books haven't changed. People may change but as long as the books say what they say they are always there when someone converts one way or the other and starts to obey them. Christians learn we are not to harm, Muslims learn they are to kill the infidel.The RCC refused the Bible to the laity and most of their priests didn't bother to read it either.; That is why they could have degenerated as much as they did. The Protestant Reformation was above all a recovery of the Bible as our authority.People need to understand this but it seems impossible to get it across. It's not about Muslims as people. Many of them may not know a lot about their religion, same as many Christians, but the point is the religion is always there in their books to turn them from harmless to murderers. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I doubt it was Judaism that justified the Irgun. But even if it did through some misapplication of the text, it was a defensive operation and had no aim of converting anyone to Judaism, and the fact remains that Islam IS "a religion that is intrinsically, immutably prone to creating violence."Soon after its conception it took off "converting" people by the sword, murdering and murdering and murdering. They were finally pushed back by European resistance so since then they've been enslaving, subjugating and murdering easier prey in other parts of the world. But they are now moving into the West where as soon as they have the numbers and the power it will begin again. (It's already begun by individuals here and there of course. Shouldn't be long before there are many others.) Because that's what their books say. They are out to conquer the world. Judaism isn't, neither is Christianity nor any other religion. Oh, except the RCC which puts their own traditions above the Bible.There are of course many Muslims who don't know this about their religion or its history or its aim to conquer the world. Time for all to wake up.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Well I can go on defining it whether you agree or not you know. My authority is the Reformation leaders and most Reformation churches and pastors. I've made the case: it's a matter of taking the Bible as authority. Pretty basic.Of course others have other definitions, but I don't know why you prefer those to mine. Here's a sampling of preachers of the persuasion I consider true. I can't vouch for all 25,700 of them of course, but the site focuses on the Reformed point of view. The point is just to say I'm not making this up, there are lots of us. (Most of those pastors are heads of congregations too, which increases our numbers).You can believe what you want of course, nobody is stopping you. But I'm sure I'm not going to stop saying what true Christianity is.ABE: There are of course lots of other Christian groups, not just the Reformed. I put this up just because it's the source of my viewpoint. Most churches differ from each other on very minor points while taking the Bible as their authority. But where it is known that the Bible is either misused or neglected altogether, that's not a Christian church.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Sounds good if you don't really get what Islam is, in reality it's national suicide.

People who have no horse in the race should pay attention to people who have spent a lot of time studying the history of these things. You are conflating murderous ideologies with harmless ones because of your utter ignorance of the history of these things. You don't care right now, but you may some time in the future.

Are you aware of the statistics that show a great majority of Muslims, very nice peaceful Muslims, support the terrorists? That's because they know the terrorists are serving Allah according to Islamic doctrine.

I'm glad you're for extreme vetting.

This is not about immigration, this is about illegal entry into the country. Why can't the Left understand something so simple?

Oh but of course. Now enforcing the law is tyranny. But what else could it be in leftistspeak.

How many who are not here illegally get accused of it pray tell?

I'm still astonished that anyone would apply the Constitution to people who are not American citizens and are not here legally. Astonished. KNOWN not to be citizens and KNOWN not to be here legally. Don't accuse me of not caring if it's true or not, of course I care.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

First I strongly doubt anyone is being accused of being illegal who isn't. How hard can it be find that out? And in any questionable case it ought to be easy enough to establish without a court case.I don't know about this particular nonprofit situation but it sounds like the usual "sanctuary city" mentality that defies American law and the rights of American citizens to help illegals. What on earth is wrong with preventing illegal entry into this country and encouraging people to come here legally? What is wrong with that perfectly sensible sane idea? Why are you supporting violations of American law? Why?

What is the matter with you? The Leftist brain seems to be missing some essential piece. Or it's just programmed to accuse people of things we're not guilty of, accuse accuse accuse. WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS don't need the Constitution to grant them. The Constitution is for Americans AND those visiting here LEGALLY.It is not a basic human right to be in this country illegally. It is a basic human right to be treated with concern for life and wellbeing. THAT doesn't need the Constitution.What Reagan said is so true today. The last entry on my signature. Bunch of "liberal" fascists running around accusing other people of being fascists. The world has gone mad.IF FASCISM COMES TO AMERICA IT WILL BE IN THE FORM OF LIBERALISM.Well, it's here, just give it time to work up to its full potential.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I don't get this. We all have to have so much identification these days you'd think it wouldn't be hard to find out who is illegal and who isn't. Is fake ID that good that you can't tell?

Birth certificate.