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JonF
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Message 878 of 2370 (859469)
07-31-2019 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 869 by Faith
07-31-2019 5:54 PM


Re: evidence?
No, but there are places where it is so extensive there is no doubting that its overall extent far exceeds anything being deposited today.
Except in the places where almost all the deposition is happening, on top of the geologic column.

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JonF
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Message 879 of 2370 (859471)
07-31-2019 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 870 by Faith
07-31-2019 5:57 PM


Re: evidence?
commandeer the ocean beds as the next layer of the geo column, are ...I'm trying to avoid insulting language ... how about "inadequate.
No, that's not appropriate, nor is" commandeer ".
The geologic column by definition, now and in the past and in the future, underlies everywhere on Earth, including the oceans.
That's a fact, with which many YECs agree.
You are entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. The geologic column underlies all the Earth.
You are trying to define "transportation" as "gasoline engined vehicles" and insisting that diesel, wind, and pedal-driven vehicles are not transportation.

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JonF
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Message 880 of 2370 (859472)
07-31-2019 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 871 by Faith
07-31-2019 6:01 PM


Re: Ice age
It isn't contributing significantly to global warming. We are the problem.

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JonF
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Message 881 of 2370 (859473)
07-31-2019 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 872 by Faith
07-31-2019 6:03 PM


Re: evidence?
Then if we agree on that, surely we can agree that the geological column is over and done with, absolutely kaput.
Does not follow. The geologic column continues to grow in areas of net deposition, such as the ocean floors. It grows exceedingly slowly, but it grows.

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JonF
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Message 882 of 2370 (859474)
07-31-2019 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 873 by Faith
07-31-2019 6:13 PM


Re: evidence?
teeny weeny little sedimentary deposits as the continuation of the geological column.
Any deposition, teeny weeny or huge, is extending the geologic column. But the ocean floors are large. There's no such thing as sediments on any scale in the wrong places. All places on Earth are right.
I posted three definitions that agree with us and refute you. I can dig up plenty more. You have no support for your version except your pitiful need to exclude almost all the places of net deposition.

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JonF
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Message 892 of 2370 (859568)
08-01-2019 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 891 by Faith
08-01-2019 1:35 PM


Re: evidence?
When I said recent deposits are teensy weensy I MEANT in extent, not depth
And you were wrong. Oceans.
Nonesense to the rest of your nonsense.
And we are back to derogatory assertions with no analysis or discussion. You are pathetic.

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JonF
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Message 899 of 2370 (859654)
08-02-2019 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 895 by Faith
08-02-2019 11:46 AM


Re: evidence?
And how many times do *I* have to tell YOU that the oceans are not building on the geological column?
128,785,965,708,984 times. And it still will be wrong. As is your peculiar definition of the geologic column.
There is no wrong place. Every point on Earth is on top of the geologic column, including sea floors.
Your argument is founded on a pathetic attempt to redefine a standard term. That is, you have no rgument. Repeating your ludicrous claims isn't going to make them true.
It's telling that you have not addressed the definitions I have posted, and that you've made no attempt to provide any support for your fantasy. As usual.
Here's a few more definitions which refute your claims:
quote:
Remind students that this
term is a compound word. Help students
understand the word parts. Geo- means Earth
and -logos means study of. A column is a
vertical stack and refers to the rock strata. So
the geologic column is the study of the layers of
rock that make up our Earth.
quote:
arrangement of rock layers in which the oldest rocks are at the bottom
quote:
The arrangement of rock units in the proper chronological order from youngest to oldest.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 900 of 2370 (859656)
08-02-2019 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 898 by Faith
08-02-2019 12:12 PM


Re: evidence?
Oceans. QED.

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JonF
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Message 905 of 2370 (859688)
08-02-2019 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 902 by Faith
08-02-2019 12:50 PM


Re: evidence?
try to understand what the Geological Column is while you're gone.
I've posted several definitions to which he can refer and which
you can't handle.

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JonF
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Message 907 of 2370 (859691)
08-02-2019 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 904 by Faith
08-02-2019 1:12 PM


Re: evidence?
So if it's too small we just imagine that eventually a whole bunch of small deosits of the same sediment will accumulate on the Geo Column hither and yon until eventually we have a new stratum for our time, complete with fossils even. Gosh what understanding of natural processes you all have!
FIFY.

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JonF
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Message 911 of 2370 (859695)
08-02-2019 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 906 by Faith
08-02-2019 1:21 PM


Re: evidence?
I guess I missed them.
I've posted definitions three times now. You didn't miss them.
quote:
1. a columnar diagram that shows the rock formations of a locality or region and that is arranged to indicate their relations to the subdivisions of geologic time.
2 : the sequence of rock formations in a geologic column.
(Merriam-Webster, note "a locality or region")
quote:
The geological column is the theoretical classification system for the layers of rocks and fossils that make up the Earth's crust (also known as the standard geologic column). Fossiliferous layers can often be traced across entire continents and correlated with rocks in other countries.
(CreationWiki.com, note "crust" )
quote:
The geologic system is a conceptual arrangement of rock formations around the world meshed together into a single, unbroken record of Earth's past.[1] It is also known as the geologic column or geologic timescale.
(Conservapedia, note" around the world
quote:
Remind students that this term is a compound word. Help students understand the word parts. Geo- means Earth and -logos means study of. A column is a vertical stack and refers to the rock strata. So the geologic column is the study of the layers of rock that make up our Earth.
quote:
arrangement of rock layers in which the oldest rocks are at the bottom
quote:
The arrangement of rock units in the proper chronological order from youngest to oldest.
Did you notice that none of those definitions restrict the location of the geologic column in any way? Every point on the crust (which encompasses all the parts that are above the mantle, including sea floors is the top of "the" geologic column. Really it's the local portion of a world-wide geologic column. The interior layers of the crust vary widely from place to place. But we can tell from context that "geologic column" really means "local geologic column.

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JonF
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Posts: 6174
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Message 912 of 2370 (859697)
08-02-2019 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 909 by Faith
08-02-2019 1:24 PM


Re: evidence?
You haven't answered any points. Repeating claims is not answering.
What is the source of your claim that the geologic column is only on land?

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JonF
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Message 914 of 2370 (859699)
08-02-2019 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 910 by Faith
08-02-2019 1:24 PM


Re: evidence?
Fixed It For You. I corrected an obvious error in your message.

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JonF
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Posts: 6174
Joined: 06-23-2003


Message 920 of 2370 (859711)
08-02-2019 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 915 by Faith
08-02-2019 1:38 PM


Re: evidence?
Well, it does speak of it as a "stack" while the ocean deposits aren't deep enough to be a stack
The pictures we have posted show lots of layers. A stack is "a pile of objects, typically one that is neatly arranged". They are a stack.
They are obviously newer than the geological column as we find it on all the continents,
Why? And, were that true, why would that be an issue?
the column does not exist on the sea floor
6,886 unsupported assertions which are contradicted by those definitions. 128,785,965,702 to go.
and since they do not build upon that familiar well known geological column that defines all the time periods it's not part of it.
Since they don't build upon your made-up version of the geologic column but do build on the geologic column as it is defined by everyone but you, it's part of the geologic column.
And may I also point out that since it is new and does not build on the geological column
No, you may not, because that's false as shown by those definitions.
Of course you could produce a definition from some source other than you, except no such source exists. The definition of the geologic column does not restrict it to land.
Edited by Admin, : The spaces in the 128 billion number made it hard to read, maybe just me, but removed them. Also, corrected typo in quote from Faith's message: continenents => continents

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JonF
Member (Idle past 198 days)
Posts: 6174
Joined: 06-23-2003


Message 924 of 2370 (859719)
08-02-2019 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 918 by Faith
08-02-2019 1:45 PM


Re: You continuing to repeat nonsense is just repeating nonsense Faith.
Well, but I HAVE provided endless repetition of my unsupported claims
FIFY
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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