Did the Flood really happen?

Actually I'm the one defining the reality, the actual reality, the real reality, the bona fide physical reality known as the Geological Column. Everybody else is pretending unrelated stuff is the column. This is an unfortunate deception. Time doesn't stop but the Geo Time Scale has indeed stopped.Funny how y'all claim that science would be very happy to accept a falsification of its theories, but as a matter of fact when such falsifications are presented scientists rationalize them away. This is what happens in a paradigm clash, and it's happening here, has happened many times here.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Oh and namecalling is another form of rationalizing it away.

Todays depositions are too small though in the right location, or big enough but in the wrong location to continue the geological column/time scale.

There should be no horizontal strata at the base of the triangle.
The right side of the broken off strata falls down and forms the strata we see beneath the sea level line. Some of its strata cover the rock or rountain, but the rest lies along the sea level line, Cambrian to Holocene from left to right. These are the broken off upper parts of what is now beneath the sea level line, becoming distorted in the ways we see it now.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The geological column or time scale is a very specific thing. All its strata are stacked one on top of another, originally a few miles deep. Strata now forming on the sea floor are not building on this very specific stack of strata, they are in the wrong location; and sediments deposited on top o this stack that are very small in extent as well as depth are far from qualifying as part of the column.The Geo Column is OVer and Done with.

I've supported my position many times. The geological column, let's take the North American ontinent, covers thousands of square miles. Its layers have been identified to be the same as those in say the Grand Canyon area by core samples all over the Midwest. The same layers, the same stack, the same Geological Column, miles deep. Nothing is building on top of it but a lakebed here and there, nothing even remotely in the ballpark. Relocating it to the sea bed removes it from its well known location. I Could point to the state of Tennessee which has a wonderful example of the Geo column from Cambrian to Holocene all lying down the same way the strata do on top of the sea level line in the UK diagrams. The "time periods" are all there, the column was built and then it was tectonically disturbed. AFTERWARD. Grand Canyon, Grand Staircase, Tennessee, UK. It's over and done with.That's it, that's the evidence. The Geological Column is a specific stack. It is no longer being built on. That's it, it's over.Since you think it is about time and not about the stack you will continue to disagree and claim its continuing on the sea floor until we've used up hundreds of pages. There's no point. I've given my reasons why it's over and done with and I don't see any point in continuing further. We disagree. End of subject.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

This is just the typical problem between me the YEC and you all the Old Earth ToE defenders. I point out how the geological facts support the Flood, say, and that requires redefining some things, while you all go on insisting on the establishment view, which I believe to be scientifically untenable. This will just go on and on here as it does on every other debate topic because it is a paradigm clash and you aren't going to bend to what I consider to be the facts that overturn your paradigm and I'm sticking to mine.

Of course it's been "rebutted." So what else is new? Would you like to repeat the rebuttal so I can point out how utterly untenable it is?

The horizontal strata are what you drew at the top.The mountain comes up beneath them and breaks the block of strata in two.The left side goes into the ocean.The right side falls down and becomes the strata we see beneath the sea level line in that diagram, with their tilted broken off ends arranged along the top of the sea level line.ABE: There are no other strata in the picture, such as the horizontal strata you've drawn on either side of the mountain.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The sea floor is not on top of the geological column. The geo column is a stack of sediments. If you put sediments somewhere else you are not building on the geo column.Agaih, the deposits that are on top of the geo column are minuscule and therefore are not building on it.What else can I possibly say? I've said it a million times already. Your argument makes no sense.

All those who believe in the Old Earth and the ToE will not agree with me because they HAVE to insist the geological column is not what it obviously is or their theory falls apart. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I assume you all know the geological facts as I've described them. If you don't then I'll try to dig up some pictures and diagrams for you.

I'm sorry, but the evidence does NOT show that a given layer of the Geological Column was ever constructed by small deposits of sediment one at a time. All eventually creating a deposit of one sediment thousands of square miles in extent and maybe hundreds of feet deep? Don't try to put that one over on me.

Oh right, lakes and basins are all filling up with the same sediment at the same rate and will eventually all blend together into a single remarkably (I didn't say perfectly) homogeneous layer of the geological column without there being any evidence remaining of their shorelines, rim lines and so on. Yep, a perfect candidate for continuation of the geological column. Not.Yes of course sediment is continuing to be deposited on the sea floor. Which is not on the geological column.I refer to the sea level line IN THAT DIAGRAM , which shows the broken off strata above it arranged from left to right instead of as they would have been laid down from bottom to top, and the rest of those same strata arranged beneath the sea level line as we see them on that diagram. That is where they ended up and exist today and that is why I refer to that sea level line. In the Flood, just as in the Grand Canyon, the water would have continued some depth above the horizontal strata as you drew them, and were probably receding as the mountain was rising, making it very much the same kind of situation as I've argued was the case in the Grand Canyon. Sea level ENDED UP where it is and has stayed there ever since.I've made consistent use of the actual facts. This should end the discussion.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Evidence for that claim is in my description/definitioln of the geological column which is the only rational definition in this discussion.