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Faith 
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Message 1092 of 2370 (860187)
08-06-2019 1:04 AM
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08-06-2019 12:57 AM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
Point is that whether or not those strata are marine does not affect my theory. It's not about being accurate or not, in this case, it just makes no difference.

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Faith 
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Message 1100 of 2370 (860212)
08-06-2019 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1098 by JonF
08-06-2019 9:45 AM


Re: Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
Now you're saying almost all plant and animal life would survive that defacing? Magic water indeed!
Where are you getting this? I've never said any such thing. Although I think a few creatures did manage to survive until the later stages of the Flood, it would have been very few and the vast majority must have been killed in the early stages.
And I still can't make sense out of this:
first layer and each subsequent layer would overly all the fossils.
I assume you mean "overlie," but I still don't get it.
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Message 1101 of 2370 (860213)
08-06-2019 10:07 AM
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08-06-2019 9:50 AM


Re: Basics Faith, basics.
I interpret that diagram to show one tectonic disturbance that turned the original horizontal strata on their side and removed them to their current location with part above the sea level line and the rest beneath it. You give the Old Earth interpretation, which only shows that you don't get what I'm trying to describe for you to illustrate it, about how the originally horizontal strata had to fall into their current position, which would not have taken hundres of millions of years.
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Message 1103 of 2370 (860215)
08-06-2019 10:16 AM
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08-06-2019 10:08 AM


Re: Basics Faith, basics.
Leonardo thought the sea floor had been raised, I do not. I think the sea creatures were deposited in the lower strata during the Flood, after which the mountains were raised. NOT on the sea floor but in the lower levels of the strata on the land.
I think the various cross sections show that there was one tectonic upheaval that occurred after the Flood, meaning after all the strata were laid down, and that upheaval distorted strata to different degrees everywhere, knocked them down in the UK, cut the canyons and cliffs in the Grand Canyon/Grand Staircase area, split the continents, raised the mountains, caused the Great Unconformity, triggered volcanism and so on and so forth. I think these things can all be traced on those various cross sections.
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Message 1105 of 2370 (860220)
08-06-2019 10:56 AM
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08-06-2019 10:49 AM


Re: Basics Faith, basics.
What's absurd is the idea that the sea floor could be raised into mountains, especially since we can see that those mountains are built out of sedimentary strata. The only rational explanation is that the strata reflect the Flood, and since, as I just belatedly added to the previous post, the cross sections are evidence that the first tectonic upheaval occurred after the Flood, the mountains would have been raised at that point.
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Message 1108 of 2370 (860227)
08-06-2019 11:33 AM
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08-06-2019 11:26 AM


Re: What is a sea anyway?
The evidence is on the provided cross sections. {Message 1070}
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Faith 
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Message 1114 of 2370 (860283)
08-06-2019 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1112 by JonF
08-06-2019 12:47 PM


Re: What is a sea anyway?
I think that she thinks that, since all the strata were laid down by the fludde, the Gulf didn't exist when the strata were laid down.
Flood or no Flood it's very clear that the Gulf wasn't there when the strata were laid down because the strata accumulate flat and horizontal and they aren't going to do that in a gulf. The Gulf had to form afterward, probably at the end of the Flood.
Also, salt domes do not take hundreds of millions of years to rise. Those have probably been rising since the Flood, though some rise in a matter of hundreds of years or even less. This is evidence for the timing of a Young Earth but it's just flatly denied by the Old Earthers, of course.
Then magic created the Gulf.
Not sure how it formed, but probably formed at the end of the Flood. The strata are hammock shaped, thin at the edges, thicker in the middle. the result of being in water as the salt rises.
Irrelevant to the fact that deposition and strata formation are happening in the Gulf, of course.
And of course, whatever sediment is falling on top of the strata there is not how the geological column formed.

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Faith 
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Message 1119 of 2370 (860292)
08-06-2019 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1116 by Theodoric
08-06-2019 3:59 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
So you use the Jurassic as evidence for your arguments...
What? What argument? Are you referring to the fact that the Jurassic is the deepest layer shown on the cross sections of the Gulf? I didn't determine that. The salt layer starts at the Jurassic level, and no other strata before that are visible on the cross sections. I guess you must be referring to this although I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
...but only believe the earth is a couple thousand years old.
Interesting.
So was the Jurrasic a couple weeks in your timeline?
You must not have read anything I've written on this topic before. I argue for the Flood so the Jurassic was just one layer of sediment laid down in that Flood. Probably took oh maybe a week at most to deposit it. The earth is SIX thousand years old according to the most common way of reading the Bible, and it's been roughly 4300 years since the Flood. Does this change your view?
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Faith 
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Message 1121 of 2370 (860294)
08-06-2019 4:10 PM
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08-06-2019 4:09 PM


Re: Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
Please read in context. I didn't say it couldn't be imagined, what I said is that LOCAL FLOODS don't provide a basis for imagining it.

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Message 1124 of 2370 (860299)
08-06-2019 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1123 by Percy
08-06-2019 4:21 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
Why don't you stop being so blind and realize that I have given plenty of evidence?

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Faith 
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Message 1134 of 2370 (860344)
08-07-2019 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1132 by Percy
08-06-2019 5:16 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
You call this an explanation:
H ----------------------------------------------
G ----------------------------------------------
F ----------------------------------------------
E ----------------------------------------------
D ----------------------------------------------
C ----------------------------------------------
B ----------------------------------------------
A ----------------------------------------------
And then you tilt them upward on the left and erode the tops off like this:

 A  B  C  D  E	F  G  H
  \  \  \  \  \  \  \  \
   \  \  \  \  \  \  \  \
    \  \  \  \  \  \  \  \
     \  \  \  \  \  \  \  \
      \  \  \  \  \  \  \  \
       \  \  \  \  \  \  \  \
But it's no explanation at all. It's what needs to BE explained. For all those hundreds of posts I've been trying to explain how we get from the horizontal layers to the tilted layers. That's what YOU haven't explained, and I have a feeling you don't have an explanation.
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Faith 
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Message 1136 of 2370 (860346)
08-07-2019 12:15 AM
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08-07-2019 12:13 AM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
I explained how the rock rising up into the strata would break them in two and cause the two parts to fall to the right and left which would tilt them. I'm not surprised it doesn't make sense to you since very little does.
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Faith 
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Message 1143 of 2370 (860358)
08-07-2019 8:21 AM
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08-07-2019 7:26 AM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
Understanding basic concepts of geology such as that time periods are not strata should prove crucial to showing the Flood really happened, so it should matter to you. Correct use of terminology will make your ideas much more clear. I encourage you to care much more about getting things right.
You don't get it and every post of yours this morning is a gigantic headache to me because you don't get it. It is not a matter of my
"getting things right," or a matter of learning the "correct" terminology: I HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW, and the time periods ARE strata. There is no such thing as a time period in my view. PLEASE STOP INSISTING THAT YOUR OWN PARADIGM IS "GETTING THINGS RIGHT" and trying to force me to accept it. There are always going to be problems with communication between people who hold different paradigms.
It would be better if you'd address my Message 1134 instead of lecturing me on how I have to use the establishment point of view.
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Faith 
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Message 1144 of 2370 (860362)
08-07-2019 8:56 AM
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08-07-2019 8:06 AM


Re: Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
"Overlie" is correct, "overlay" is wrong though most frequently used.
Dead creatures would have been washed into the water where they got sorted.
I assumed all that rain would have denuded the land but maybe not completely since I know some creatures did survive until later in the building of the strata..

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Faith 
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Message 1146 of 2370 (860365)
08-07-2019 9:01 AM
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08-07-2019 8:06 AM


Re: Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
I did not say that when the rain stopped that's when deposition of the sediments would begin. Quote me.
I also don't assume that everything was killed though the land was pretty well scoured. Since that is the case it has to be that it wasn't completely scoured.
The vast majority killed in the early stages, yes.
we've got a lot of water carrying a lot of stuff. why do you assume the dead creatures would somehow just lie down on the land surface.

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