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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Christopher Ransom, wielder of the fake gun. He will be charged with murder in the death of Detective Brian Simonsen. Problem solved. Case closed.
A felony murder charge is applied when a death occurs during the commission of another crime. There obviously should be an investigation into the shooting but the charge isn't out of the ordinary.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
All my US law education is from the University of Law & Order, that's where I've heard it referred to as felony murder.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
The images illustrate why assault rifles are so much more deadly than normal firearms, because of what the bullets do once they enter the body.
there are multitudes of non assault rifles that fire 5.56NATO/.223REM. Being fired from an M-4 doesn't make a round more deadly than an identical one fired from a REM700.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Though the round is not more deadly because of the gun, the particular gun can make it more destructive.
Tell that to Percy. He seems to think that the danger of assault rifles comes from the round they fire. And yes depending on the model a REM 700 probably has a longer barrel length than an M-4, giving it a greater muzzle velocity.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
That does not mitigate the destructive power on humans of the round.
I'm not saying it does. Percy said in the message that i was replying to that
The images illustrate why assault rifles are so much more deadly than normal firearms, because of what the bullets do once they enter the body I'm trying to tell him that he's wrong, that a bullet fired from an assault rifle is not more deadly than one fired from a hunting rifle.
You seem to want to be a little pedantic
As Percy (and everyone else) can see from the current flood geology thread with Faith, it's a little annoying trying to have a discussion with someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
In my view we don't need weapon/ammunition combos that cause such massive bodily harm. They should be off limits to civilians.
so you want to take away all the hunting rifles as well.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Is a suicide vest in the shape of an actual vest in that it covers the trunk of the body where a "kill shot" would be aimed?
in the pictures I've seen of them they're generally more of a belt than a vest.
Same question as earlier: What does a suicide vest look like, and if it covers the trunk then where does your "kill shot" go?
in the head, at 7-10 ft a head shot should be nothing for a trained shooter.
your certainty that the suicide vest would be detonated if the suspect wasn't killed?
little point in wearing one if your weren't intent on setting it off. The police didn't know it was fake, they'd have to assume the guy was willing to use it.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
What if his intent was that it go off only in the event of his death?
what if he intended it to go off when a pink unicorn ran past? you can what if this to death. They might be popular on movies/TV but I've never heard of a real bomb being linked to someone's heartbeat. If he had a dead man's switch he could have released it at any time, if he had a command detonator he could have set it off at any time, it could be on a timer, it could be rigged with a cell phone and detonated remotely. The police had to act to eliminate the threat, kill the guy to prevent him from setting off the bomb, take the chance that since he has yet to trigger a dead man's switch that he doesn't have one. let the bomb squad deal with any other detonator scenarios.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Or perhaps he hoped to break free, run into a crowd, and detonate there.
right, which is why you kill him as soon as you have a chance.
Yes, they were taking a risk. That's my point.
everything was risky. If they didn't shoot him they risked the above scenario
How about letting the bomb squad deal with all bomb detonator scenarios?
and you expect the bad guy to just stand by and wait for them to arrive and work on him? It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
There was no need to kill him. they prevented him from breaking free and running off into a crowd to detonate his bomb
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Maybe he didn't have the courage to kill himself.
too fucking badIt's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
When the last passerby was pulled away then any attempt by the suspect to rise would justify shooting him.
how does shooting him in the leg prevent him from detonating the bomb?It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
The goal is to follow a course of action that leads through the least worst situations by accounting for their lethalities and probabilities.
or you could just shoot the guy in the head and be done with the possibility of him command detonating the bomb. This was't a kid with a toy gun or a driver reaching for his ID, this was a suspect in multiple attacks with a deadly weapon, wearing what appeared to be a suicide vest the police acted appropriately.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
You're also endorsing an execution.
I'm endorsing the police acting in defense of themselves and others.
This appears to argue that committing an attack makes you fair game for execution instead of just arrest.
nope, you're leaving out the part where wearing a suicide vest makes you an imminent threat
Or was aiming their guns just a precaution and they only fired after seeing the vest.
have you never seen any footage of police aiming their guns at people? You aim the gun so that if you have to use it you're ready and you don't waste time acquiring your target. This wasn't preparing to execute the guy, it was preparing to respond to his actions.
For all they knew everyone's wounds were superficial and the suspect was a schizophrenic who was having problems with adjustments to his medication
what they knew was that he was wearing what appeared to be a suicide vest, he was an imminent threat to their lives and others.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6
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What action did the man take that police responded to by shooting him dead?
he put on a suicide vest and went out in public.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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