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Topic: Belief Versus The Scientific Method
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 233 of 513 (890505)
01-06-2022 9:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 229 by drlove
01-06-2022 8:10 PM
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Re: belief in the method
At least state some position clearly. I use the scientific method to systematically attempt to understand observations made in my chosen fields. I also try to follow advances in a wide range of scientific fields that interest me. This is a really cool time to be a scientist. It has never been easier for scientists to communicate than now and to exchange ideas and data with your peers and between disciplines. The BS you are peddling is easy to spot and I will not let it bias my scientific observations or conclusions. I expect this will not be clear enough for you and that you will continue to be the whiny bitch.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 248 of 513 (890525)
01-07-2022 10:42 AM
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Gosh he's afraid of masks
I suppose he would insist that the surgical staff remove all their masks before surgery, oh and absolutely no fucking hand washing!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 260 of 513 (890550)
01-07-2022 6:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 252 by drlove
01-07-2022 2:49 PM
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Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
Of course this natural world has certain realities/laws/forces that work and that are used in the scientific method in a very many cases. Cool, now we're getting somewhere. Can you give us some examples of certain realities/laws/forces that work and that are used in the scientific method in a very many cases?
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 261 of 513 (890551)
01-07-2022 6:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 235 by drlove
01-07-2022 1:29 AM
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Re: belief in the method
You do confirm that science is pretty well a religion to some people though, by taking offence to the fact some faith is involved. You really are on a roll and once again you are incorrect. I wasn't offended, I was just pointing out that you were incorrect. I am not offended by you not knowing wat you are talking about, but I am surprised that you are not.
Oh, and by the way, interpreting evidence involves belief and in a systematic way! I guess you don't know what systematic mean either.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 262 of 513 (890552)
01-07-2022 6:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 255 by drlove
01-07-2022 5:06 PM
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So those who chose to believe the tens of thousands of experts on one side are irrational? Tens of thousands of experts on your side? I call BullShit, you can't name 100 experts on your side.
I kept meaning to come back to this one. This is a classic example of alternate facts, that is spread by bullshit artists like you. There are no 150 studies showing masks are ineffective or harmful relative to infectious disease transmission published in any reputable medical journal anywhere on this planet. There have not been 5 studies showing masks are ineffective or harmful relative to infectious disease transmission published in any reputable medical journal anywhere on this planet since the Covid epidemic began.
This kind of deliberate spreading of misinformation that endangers lives and public health and is directly responsible for the needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans. Yeah, I'm talking about you, Asshole!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 263 of 513 (890553)
01-07-2022 7:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 259 by Tangle
01-07-2022 5:48 PM
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Tangle writes: drlove writes: I am pro real science.
Great so why not answer my question? The cock has crowed at least thrice now? I will bet that real science is exactly the same thing as true science that we've heard mentioned a few times here in the past. 
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 269 of 513 (890559)
01-08-2022 12:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 265 by drlove
01-08-2022 12:22 AM
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Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
I did bring up the field of medical science and a few doctors representing that. See what you can do with that. So, no attempt to answer my question. Here it is again.
Tanypteryx writes: drlove writes: Of course this natural world has certain realities/laws/forces that work and that are used in the scientific method in a very many cases.
Cool, now we're getting somewhere. Can you give us some examples of certain realities/laws/forces that work and that are used in the scientific method in a very many cases?
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 271 of 513 (890561)
01-08-2022 12:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 266 by drlove
01-08-2022 12:25 AM
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Re: belief in the method
If one applies beliefs in a systematic way to evidences, then that is a perfect use of the word. Maybe quit the pretense of being some word scholar as well. I didn't ask you to use systematic in a garbled sentence, I asked you to define it since you claimed to be using systematics. Can you give some examples of applying beliefs in a systematic way to evidences? I don't need to be a word scholar to ask you what some of the words that you are using mean. You don't seem to know what they mean and you use them in such odd ways when you are talking about science that makes it really, really look like you don't know jack shit about science.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 279 of 513 (890569)
01-08-2022 10:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 267 by drlove
01-08-2022 12:28 AM
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There you go abusing the language again with the word reputable. And there you go spreading more alternate facts. You do not get to say what we accept or believe, or what has a reputation. I didn't say anything about what you accept or believe. I said they have not been published in a single reputable medical journal.
You merely choose one side you want to believe. Really? How are you going to enforce that, have a tantrum? You came here to try and convince us of something, but so far all we have seen is obvious lies and misinformation.
The article did cite 150 studies. And the article you cited was completely bogus. There were no studies. Not a single one.
If you want to go through each and show how it is some sort of con job, feel free. Oh, there's no need because none of those studies exist. The article you cited was total bullshit. Your critical thinking skills suck.
Empty claims that they are no good is nothing more than hand waving of course. And I note that you have not cited a single actual scientific study about face masks published in any medical journal. You're doing a really crappy job at convincing us that you are anything but a disinformation troll.
In some places the majority of people getting sick are the vaccinated. More alternate facts, show us your evidence.
In your standard, apparently they are endangering lives! You just can't help but twist things around can you, are you daft?
There are folks on the other side of the issue who claim that the system that disallowed life saving alternative and early treatments are actual murderers. Those folks are idiots spreading alternate facts.No one is stopping you from drinking all the bleach you want.
There is also some who suspect that the vaccines may weaken immunity and be dangerous. And they have no evidence to support their suspicions.
It is also known that the vaccinated spread the sickness. Not because of the vaccine. They are contagious because they were exposed to Covid by an idiot like you without a mask and they got a breakthrough infection.
So no one needs your ones sided rude and ignorant accusations, thanks. Hey, you're the one who came here to try and convince us that you know something, but it turns out to be nothing but anti-science misinformation. Good job!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 280 of 513 (890570)
01-08-2022 10:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 272 by drlove
01-08-2022 3:04 AM
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Re: belief in the method
Show me the post where I claimed to be using 'systematics'? Ha Message 266drlove writes: If one applies beliefs in a systematic way to evidences, then that is a perfect use of the word. There you go abusing language again by uttering the word science. You seem to have the mistaken opinion that you have control over the words other people use, or can twist their meanings.
You have not defined it, nor shown any instance it is used Nor have you.
and have ignored the instances I mentioned where spokesmen for medical science systematically disagree based on the same science and data! Yep, because the "spokesmen" you mentioned are not using the same science and data. They are using fraudulent data and speading misinformation and alternate facts.
Then one side accuses the other of being anti science! Yep, the science side accuses the anti-science side of being the anti-science side.
No one needs to use words in a way that is restricted to your belief system and misconceptions! Words have specific meanings and if you want to convince anyone that you know what you are talking about or that you have any valid points you have to use language in a way that actually communicate what you want to say.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 281 of 513 (890571)
01-08-2022 11:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 274 by vimesey
01-08-2022 8:09 AM
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Looking at his frequent Engliah grammar mistakes, one guess would be that a Russian bot farm is using EvC as a training ground for their apprentice farmers. I always thought the Russian bots were more sophisticated and subtle. If this guy doesn't up his game Putin might put a little poison on his doorknob.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 287 of 513 (890580)
01-08-2022 2:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 283 by drlove
01-08-2022 1:49 PM
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Strange denial. What denial was that?
When unable to offer any support for your position you make up fairy tales. i'm not trying to support a position. I'm trying to get you to use actual evidence to support yours. If you cannot even support your position you will never be able to convince anyone.
If I were to vote for Putin or Biden, I am not sure what I might choose. One thing I can say, it sure would not be the latter! You don't seem to be able to understand the concept of opposing opinions, do you?
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 288 of 513 (890581)
01-08-2022 2:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 284 by drlove
01-08-2022 1:51 PM
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When truth will not be published in formerly reputable pubs they are no longer reputable! And if your alternate facts were published in a reputable journal is would no longer be useful information for anyone.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 295 of 513 (890593)
01-08-2022 3:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 292 by drlove
01-08-2022 2:53 PM
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What denial was that?
The strange one How strange was it? Can you point to it or was invisibility its strangeness?
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i'm not trying to support a position..
Well you should. You are the one who came here to try and convince us. So far, you don't appear to have convinced anyone, but you never know maybe some really gullible person will come along. I guess you need better, more convincing evidence.
If you claim that medical science uses the scientific method and is not therefore belief based, then why are millions of people and tens of thousands of medical professionals not agreeing? Simple. Because you just made up more alternate facts. Simple.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 297 of 513 (890595)
01-08-2022 3:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 293 by drlove
01-08-2022 2:55 PM
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You thought formerly reputable journals had some nazi propaganda ticket to ride? No. You are becoming less and less coherent. I have no idea what any of this gibberish means.
When truth is censored that means the reputable articles can't get published. Yes, that's true.
The paper then becomes anti reputable! Yes that's true, your papers are anti-reputable.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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