egotheistic pantheism revealed...

Archer please...You're the one who posited the notion that irrational arguments can be true. but irrational arguments are not understandable. What is there about darkness to be understood? It cannot be seen. It must be brought into the light of day...John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.You are the one who doesn't understand. Understanding is a threat to you. It threatens to remove your covering and reveal your nakedness.Revelation 3:18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

The 2nd one...The reason is because that is how I found the Lord. But I did have to give up all my reliance upon the beauty of chaos. She turned out to be a harlot!

Well, then go 'party on' Wayne... Drink the cup of your desires! Indulge in the loving goodness of existing! Consume your fill of flesh.Me? I'm going to keep reminding you that there is hell to pay for such folly.Does that make me your enemy?

We consign ourselves to hell. You'll find your enemy in the mirror. That is where I found 'mine'.

I couldn't have said it better myself, only you are wrong in your interpretation.You see? God is good. So just as a society would not be 'good' by allowing the criminal to remain free, so it is with God.It is only a criminal and a lunatic who blames his consignment on the judge.The prosecutor is the one who accuses. God accuses no-one, and only judges what is right and just.

Rob:Ringo:Joh 5:45 "But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.Now keep in mind Ringo that Jesus is talking to jews who believe the law will save them. They trust in their works. I almost did not quote this verse because I can anticipate your misconstruing it.Moses represents the law. And the law brings death not life. And the accusor will use that standard by which to prosecute and claim 'his own as his'. Very much like 'the queen of Narnia' (as she calls herself) claims the blood of Edmund in the C.S. Lewis story, 'The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe.'The accuser is the devil.Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. 10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. 11 They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.I am only giving you what the Bible says. that is what it says. If you do not agree with it fine. But it is what it is.

I already addressed this and you know it...As far as I am concerned, you no longer exist. You have wasted far too much of God's prescious time given to me for His name sake.If you only seek to entertain yourself, I will not feed your demonic appetite any longer.

I am growing weary of going in circles Archer... You're becoming a burden and a nuisance... So the conclusion is true (danger) as I said.I was pointing out that the reason is flawed.I am so glad we agree.Do you remember why you posited this 'whole mess' in the first place?I said:And you said:Don't you see Archer? The point is that pantheism is false: both the conclusion and the logic. Because it presumes there is no conclusion that is absolute or true, and it uses irrational reasoning to do so.How can a presupposition that their are no conclusions be a legitimate conclusion?This was never about crossing the street or purple dinosaurs. It is about the 'real' and present danger of your insanity, and falseness of it.You've conflated some things that do not cohere. And that is the 'both-and' failure of pantheist logic. It is false.If you want to understand it better, read my respone to Anglagard in his thread on Spinoza pantheism.I tried to explainthis to Iceage earlier in this thread:

Sounds to me like you just agreed...I said nothing false... why are you so offended?

I speak the truth. I am not the truth... Christ is...The spirit of prophecy is christ.Prophets are despised because the hearer is offended by Christ. Don't gang up on the messanger. I thought you were my sister... John 6:61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you?Matthew 21:33 "Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit. 35 "The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. 'They will respect my son,' he said. 38 "But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, 'This is the heir. Come, let's kill him and take his inheritance.' 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 "Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?" 41 "He will bring those wretches to a wretched end," they replied, "and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time." 42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: "'The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'? 43 "Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed." 45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus' parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

I'm not the one who doesn't believe in truth... Truth is absolute, Because He is the truth, and He is eternal.Jesus is Lord. Can you say that Ringo? Jesus is Lord?1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

Then you are off topic...You've said nothing... you're chasing your tail.

This is what is so frustrating...They are absoutely the same thing, and always are!But... lets' do some thinking here... If what you said above is true, then is it always true?OK... now here's the thing. if you can't understand that, I don't care... I do understand it.

If you remember, Neo didn't jump out of the 'pile on' because he was scared. He was kickin butt! Just because he couldn't beat them, does not mean he had to let them destroy him.Know this... You folks have had your fun with many a theist. And you've no doubt moderated some of them in you little fires. I am only stronger.But there is no point in ministering now. I affirmed all my suspiscions. I got it out of a few of you... you don't give a damn...You're absolute!And in a way that's ok, because so am I...The only difference is.. that I don't have to lie about it.You might have 'time' on your side, but I've got eternity. You can say whatever you want and play God for a while longer. But when He returns or when your day of death comes... you won't be laughing anymore.And the day draws near. Time may be relative... but you sure as hell can't stop it can you?Do you know why? Because eternity transcends it! Eternity is the only 'real' reality. And it is absolute.You see? God has a few tricks up his sleeve.

Oh no , I loved the challenge. The fact is I dig the fight. I was made for it...But this is not a debate forum. The minds on both sides is made up! That's what I meant when i said i got a few of them to admit it. they don't care...This is just plain warfare! And I am still standing tall. They can go to hell if they want to. It's just not a very intelligent choice.In fact, it's plain rediculous!