egotheistic pantheism revealed...

How do you think I knew it was worthy of discarding?

That's true... Do you have a non-rational basis for reason? I thought the scientific method was supreme?I cannot even believe you are saying these things... You are much smarter than that!Everything you just said can only assumed to be true if the law of non-contradiction is valid. And because it is valid, everything you just said is pure adulterated sophistry!Is this a joke?If so, you got me...Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

Thank you Vacate, you now understand. The workplace (the gate) is Christ. I stated earlier in the thread that that is not what I am talking about. We all start at different starting points, but 'reason' is the same in the east, as it is in the west.Logic is logic, just as air is air, and gravity is gravity. The ministries of the Gospel sell better in other countries than they do here in 2007, because people in poverty are in touch with reality more so than the wealthy. Their illusions are already shattered. We have the means to hold to them, because we are wealthy materially and intellectually.

Let's not waste space...

How absolutely convenient for them...Only God can dictate an absolute, so they are partially correct.'The most deadly lies, are dangerous half truths.' (Ravi Zacharius / raised in New Delhi btw)

Slow down there speed-o brain! Yes I think you're right, except for the part I edited out. But you said it very irresponsibly. The Bible itself makes no false claim. And it's embodiment which 'is Christ', made no false claims. And He claimed exclusivity in black and white terms that cannot be refuted or misconstrued by any honest investigator.But we, as fallible men and women of any faith make false claims, though not always intentionally. But the impact is real, regardless of our intentions. The consequences are real and deadly.So, Anastasia, Christianity does not make false claims, but Christians often do. There is a difference.Algebra is not false, because the new proffesor is a dolt. And as sinners, as Christians, we know what we are.As imperfect (wretched really) creatures, we are perfected by Jesus perfection. By placing our faith in Him instead of ourselves. He is the true leader to the promised land.As for being perfected, I defer to Lewis who said, '...and death is part of the process.'Just as the seed falls and hence bears more, so we must sow our flesh, to be raised to glory.

Unless they are God (which many of them believe) they do not get to judge where my final resting place will be.I appriciate their willingness to believe in my usefulness to a perfect and sinless divine reality, but they frighteningly underestimate what such a reality would look like, and what I would look like relative to it.I have already come to the place where I can look at myself honestly and not pretend to be well adjusted, other than to this evil world perhaps.I know I have need of a savior. I will look to God for justice, judgement, and mercy, because he actully proved to me that he can handle it. The devil would be... wouldn't he... clever bastard anyway.

Have you been drinking?Isn't it like 1:00 AM there?Go to bed...Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

Yes. And pay the fine too. But will the employee ask for genuine forgiveness which means to give up the mistakes in question? Or does the employee intend to continue making mistakes because it is fun?I think a genuine conversion, is when a person realizes that they are trapped. That they need the power of God to help them learn to be other than they are now. And the power to even want to be different. Rather than just accepting who they are and expecting God to forgive them unconditionally.It is very conditional. Jesus asked, 'What would a man give in exchange for his soul?'Your whole life commited to Him in exchange for forgiveness and meeting the Holy Spirit in person?You've been bought for a price. A heavy and bloody price. Because your sin has worked it's way into reality, and spreads like a disease. The consequences are very real. If you want to see the reality of evil, then look at the cross. It is both the most loving thing in all history, and the most evil thing in history.You only have to accept the invitation on His exclusive terms. Give up your self, or keep it forever. A terrifying and wonderful proposition.Salvation is not automatic. You get a choice...I don't know about you, but when I realized that, I had to sit down.

That is the whole point right there Mod...If the whole of existence is divinity itself, then since I exist, I am one with the divine.That is logic isn't it? If this, then that? Either this, or that?That was the foundation of my point. How can you say that I did not mention it at any point?From the fourth sntance in post #1:Does the difference in wording make a real difference?

All of your posturing and trying to make it seem like I am the exclusive one misses the point...Jesus Christ spoke to his own exclusivity. He is the one who rebukes you, and yes, I believe Him.You are more than welcome to become a Christian. It is inclusive in that regard. Just as I am welcome to become a pantheist if I give up my narrow view of diety.Here below is a great mystery... If you can solve it, your eyes will be opened. But speaking for myself I could not understand it until I took a regressive journey. But I offer it because I am admitedly not as intelligent as some of you. Perhaps you will see before the fact.Mathew 22:14 "For many are invited, but few are chosen."

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.It is a carbon copy, not an original since we are dealing with the eternal reality here and not the relative and linear insertion in time of the concept.As John the baptist said in his time: John1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, 'A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.'You talk of pantheism revealed?That is antichrist revealed. You've confirmed my point in post #1.The rebellion is in full swing. Your time to dominate draws near. Rejoice! You will soon evaluate the fruit of your works.My righteousness comes by faith in the righteous one. I do not long for the fruit of my works. I have been spared form what I deserve.I long for the fruit of His finished work.

According to the Bible, that is the case in Christ, yes. And monistic pantheism is it's imposter. That is why it makes so much sense. It is for some Mod, and I thank God that is not the case with you. Pantheism is not monlithic, so it appears you are exempt. Not so with many that I have met, including here.

You're making a grave error in interpretation.All are welcome. It is strange that when I invite people to Christ here at EVC that I am lambasted as preaching inane simple simonism.But then I am labeled a goat for not offering clothing for your nakedness, or living water for your thirst etc...No matter what I do for you, you condemn me...Matthew 11:16 "To what can I compare this generation? They are like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling out to others: 17 "'We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.' 18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners.'" But wisdom is proved right by her actions."Your duplicity blinds you. Please reconsider. it is never too late to repent. Christ died for you too.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.