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Hyroglyphx
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Message 221 of 1677 (839822)
09-16-2018 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Faith
09-16-2018 4:48 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Another date in the Jewish calendar that I considered is Tisha B'Av or the 9th of Av which is not a date determined in scripture but is traditionally the date on which major disasters have occurred in Jewish history, primarily the destruction of the two temples, Solomon's by the Babylonians and then the rebuilt temple by the Roman army in 70 AD, but there are other disasters in Jewish history that also fell on that date. The Rapture would be such a disaster because it would usher in the Day of the LORD or the "time of Jacob's trouble."

I can certainly see the fun in eschatology, but at the end of the day a Christian ought not lose sight of the following principle:

quote:
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Translation: Even I [Jesus] don't know when the End Times will occur.

quote:
"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

Translation: It's not about the destination, but the journey.

My best suggestion is to stop speculating, especially publicly, and live a good life for the Lord. When you look at it from a statistical point of view, thus far: End Times predictions have 0% success rate. When you think of it in those terms, it kind of summarizes a "boy who cried wolf" scenario. The more you attempt to predict it, the more you inadvertently harm the ultimate message you're trying to convey. With each failure comes ridicule anew.

And why preoccupy yourself with it, anyhow? It's supposed to be a glorious thing. If you're so certain of your standing with God, that he might say to you on the Day of Judgment, "Well done good and faithful servant," then grumblings about eschatological meanings is an unnecessary waste of valuable time... time that could be spent on the poor or those in prison, as Jesus commanded.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 223 of 1677 (839824)
09-16-2018 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Faith
09-16-2018 7:43 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
I already answered all that Hyro. The closer we get to the possible fulfilment of a prophecy the more likely it is we will be getting some signs that it is near, and Jesus himself told us to be aware of those signs when he gave us the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24. I started getting some PERSONAL signs, and I chose Rosh Hashanah because it is a likely date, being the next one on the calendar of the High Holy Days, which is when major biblical events have occurred in the past. Even if that wasn't the date it could still be close. And there is nothing in scripture to say we shouldn't be aware of that, in fact the opposite.

The recognition of "Birth Pains" is one thing, naming a specific date is another.

The reason for speculating publicly is that I want unbelievers to know what happened if it happens, for their sake. A perfect prediction isn't the point but knowing what happened when it happens is the point, and it will eventually happen.

Everyone here knows what the End Times are... we've been going over it for like 12 years now. If you and all Christians are gone, we'll all know why.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 228 of 1677 (839829)
09-16-2018 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Faith
09-16-2018 8:19 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Oh by the way, Jesus did NOT say He didn't know when the "end times" would occur-- anybody who knows scripture at all and sees what's happening in the world knows those times have been upon us for a while now. What Jesus said is that He didn't know the time of His return, which is what we are talking about here.

How is that not analogous?

"I will return with a shout."

He's implying that, while he was in the physical form, even He did not know the day or time.

The "End Times" is a reference to all of the phases... Rapture, Tribulations, Return, and Judgment.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 229 of 1677 (839830)
09-16-2018 8:49 PM
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09-16-2018 8:22 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Oh too, "birth pangs" have been going on for a while. The parable of the fig tree speaks of knowing the season and seeing even that it is "at the very door."

That's what every Christian since the time of Paul has believed. What indication is there that this time should be different than every other generation that said the same thing?


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 234 of 1677 (839835)
09-16-2018 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Faith
09-16-2018 10:33 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
In any case WE are told to recognize when it is "at the very door."

I'm not disputing that you are told to watch for signs of his return, I'm questioning why you are concerning yourself with a specific date and time -- in this case, a specific Jewish holiday, when it says no one knows.

Abortion is one

What the Lord thinks about abortion:

"Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did on the day Jerusalem fell. “Tear it down,” they cried, “tear it down to its foundations!” Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us. Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." - Psalm 137:7-9

"This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." -- 1st Samuel 15:1-2

"Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open." -- Hosea 13:16

As to the rest, it sounds like the same things going on for thousands of years.. but not as bad.


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 237 of 1677 (839838)
09-16-2018 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by Faith
09-16-2018 11:07 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
All that describes God's judgments/vengeance on specific peoples for specific transgressions -- judgments against the guilty, that has nothing to do with the murder of the innocent unborn. Our list that invites His vengeance is much longer, and the west, at least America, was once obedient to Him, so much the greater will be our punishment.

I'm very curious what the transgressions of those infants were. Must have been pretty bad for the God of Love to command their obliteration on account of those infant transgressions.

I reiterate: Christians brought abortion/infanticide to an end, and now we are reverting to it again. We brought witchcraft to an end and now we are legalizing it. Homosexuality was always condemned and now we are normalizing and applauding it. Etc etc etc. These are strong signs that we are at the very end.

Abortion has been legal since the 70's... That's nearly 50 years ago. Witchcraft? what, all 10 witches... You're making it sound like an epidemic. Jesus brings up divorce, when it comes to sexual sin and makes no mention of homosexuality at all. I'm guessing the no-fault divorce is probably the greater issue.

In any event, times past were much more odious. Crime has also been steadily declining.


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 238 of 1677 (839839)
09-16-2018 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Faith
09-16-2018 11:22 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Because Rosh Hashanah is a very likely time, and the closer we get the more likely it is that we could actually know the day; I've said that more than once, what's your problem?

Problem with what? I was just offering advice on not worrying about a day and time. You can take it in to consideration or throw it in the trash.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 241 of 1677 (839843)
09-17-2018 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 239 by Faith
09-16-2018 11:42 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
You can't compare God's judgments with human transgressions that DESERVE God's judgments.

I don't understand how you can bemoan the tragedy of abortion in one breath and say that God's ordering of infants skulls to be crushed is DESERVED punishment in the next breath. That's quite a feat of mental gymnastics

But I guess you don't see any problems that deserve God's judgments so we don't need to worry, right? Fifty years of abortion with fifty million dead babies, naaa. Oh right legalizing witchcraft is just about ten witches anyway etc etc.

Your whole point was that you know Judgment is nigh because of legalized abortion. I pointed out that it's been nearly fifty years, which hardly seems like swift justice. Then you brought up witchcraft as another obvious sign that the time draw nigh... but there's less "witches" now than there's ever been because modern people know that witchcraft is pure nonsense. To me, neither seem like obvious signs and wonders.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 242 of 1677 (839844)
09-17-2018 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by Faith
09-17-2018 12:10 AM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Remember when God called Jonah to preach to the Ninevites that judgment was coming? He even mentioned that there were I forget how many children who didn't yet "know their left hand from their right" as a case for sparing them; To convince Jonah to preach repentance so He might not have to bring that destruction on them for the sake of those young children. The babies are part of the tribe, there is no way to spare them separately, and it is a punishment to the tribe to do away with their children. The incident described in Psalm 137 by the way is about how the Babylonians had slaughtered the babies of the Israelites so this is vengeance.

... A kind of holy ethnic cleansing. His mercies are enduring!!!

In any case none of that has anything to do with our day when once-Christian nations had eradicated abortion and other evils and are now bringing them back in a full-fledged pagan revival against God's laws. And I ask again: how long do you think He'll put off judgment for what I've listed?

My best guess: forever


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Message 246 of 1677 (839852)
09-17-2018 7:34 AM
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09-17-2018 7:01 AM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
9/11 was Gpd's judgment, and the destructive hurricanes over the last decades should also be counted as judgment.

Ah, so God was piloting the planes, not Al Qaeda?

I consider the threat of Islam breathing down our necks to be judgment waiting in the wings. Illegal immigration could be counted as judgment. Which means also that the ascendance of Leftist politics is itself judgment. The sins that I listed are the result of Leftist politics anyway, so there's a lot of judgment brewing if you understand the times.

So in other words, things you deem politically unsavory is a judgment of God. With all of that it leaves little room for Free Will.


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Message 575 of 1677 (841376)
10-11-2018 11:15 PM
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10-11-2018 7:50 PM


Re: God's Justice
And 9/11 was also a display of great mercies by God. There are many miracle stories from that day, people who know God protected them in various ways.

His mercies are enduring!!!! Which part though? The death by suffocation? Death by incineration? Death by blunt force trauma from the fall? Or one guy who, by blind luck, survived on a slab of concrete underneath a cushion of air?

Hundreds upon hundreds of Christians died that day. And a single person lived. What metric do you think God uses to spare some and have others die through pure suffering?


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Message 593 of 1677 (841506)
10-14-2018 4:16 AM
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10-12-2018 9:58 AM


Re: God's Justice
Yes many people suffered and died, though overall a LOT fewer than could have been the case. And the mercy stories I've heard are, yes, those of just a few by comparison, but they include providential events that kept them away from the disaster, and events that helped them escape, including a woman who is sure it was an angel who held open a door for her as she was escaping from the tower. I don't know how God makes such decisions, but I'm happy to hear such stories. Usually the people then get involved in helping others.

The point being, how do you distinguish between a serendipitous event and an event where you believe divine intervention is at play?


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Message 994 of 1677 (844076)
11-24-2018 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 986 by Percy
11-24-2018 11:57 AM


Re: Giving It All Up and Urging Everyone To Do Likewise
Jesus wasn't a real person.

I'm kind of surprised that you take this position. I think Yeshua was almost certainly an actual figure who knew the Mishna and Torah quite well and did whatever he could to manufacture ways to fulfill the messianic prophecies. There are enough extra-biblical sources to assume that he was a real person even if ultimately just another failed messiah.

Tacitus, Pliny, Lucian, Josephus (although much of it likely altered by Christians after-the-fact), the Babylonian Talmud, etc are all reputable sources.

I think more often than not, lore almost always begins with a measure of truth before it grows.


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