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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Nobody begged you to come here and spout empty opinions. If you have a point to make, it's up to you to make it. I'm not going to drag it out of you. I am not begging you to understand. So if YOU have any questions, feel free to ask. But don't expect to be treated like the guru on the mountain with all the answers."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1337 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
If you said something wrong, I will correct it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Correct this: There is no evidence that there has ever been a worldwide flood while humans were on earth - i.e. the story of Noah's Ark is fiction. If you said something wrong, I will correct it."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1337 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
There is no evidence that there has ever been a worldwide flood while humans were on earth - i.e. the story of Noah's Ark is fiction. One major mistake: Noah is not a normal human. You can not use modern human to reason things happened in Noah's time.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
The Bible only mentions one thing about Noah that distinguishes him from "normal" humans:
Noah is not a normal human.quote:Noah was chosen. That's all. Juvenissun writes:
Of course you can. There's no reason to think the laws of physics changed. You can not use modern human to reason things happened in Noah's time."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Plus we can and have examined humans that lived long before Noah (if Noah ever existed) as well as humans that lived after Noah (and even humans that would have lived right during the Biblical Flood if either of the Biblical Floods had ever happened).
We don't have to speculate, we have direct remains of humans that we have examined that would have been alive about the time of Adam (if Adam had ever really existed).
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1337 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. That is normal.What's not normal is that Noah lived 950 years.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1337 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
We don't have to speculate, we have direct remains of humans that we have examined that would have been alive about the time of Adam (if Adam had ever really existed). You do have to. Those remains may not be human. They are dated a few millions of years old.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
It’s perfectly normal for fictional characters to live that long, and longer. Sumerian kings lived 36,000 years and such, and their fictional legends are just as written down as Noah’s and Adam’s.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Genesis certainly implies that it was not. Noah was the only one whose family was saved from the flood.
Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.That is normal. Juvenissun writes:
On the contrary, Adam lived to 930, Seth to 912, Enosh to 905, Kenan to 910, Mahalaleel to 895, Jared to 962, Lamech to 777 and Methuselah to 969. Those ages, if they were true, were perfectly normal. What's not normal is that Noah lived 950 years. Edited by ringo, : Added "ly"."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Please point out any one example of human remains dated at millions of years old. Not hominid remains, now - human. I won’t hold my breath, Juve.
There are not just human remains that date back to the time of Noah. There are whole cultures, with cities, pyramids, other ruins and artifacts, that date right through that fictional time.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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On the contrary, Adam lived to 930, Seth to 912, Enosh to 905, Kenan to 910, Mahalaleel to 895, Jared to 962, Lamech to 777 and Methuselah to 969. Those ages, if they were true, were perfectly normal. Methuselah could have gotten much older if he hadn't drowned in the Flood (dates in AC, "After Creation"):
After going through a long tabulation of of the kings, etc, you finally get to a tie-point, an event that has a date known to actual history: Cyrus, the Persian, setting the people free (2 Chronicles 36:23) in 538 BCE. Since that was in 3647 AC, that would place 0 AC at 4185 BCE:
3647 AC = 538 BCE = -538 CE
0 AC = (-538 - 3647) CE 0 AC = -4185 CE = 4185 BCE QEF See my reposting of a YEC's article on biblical chronology. I found it interesting because as a child I had also played that rainy-day game of adding up all the ages, but hit a wall in Genesis. The key is to then go beyond Genesis and work to the first king and then through all the kings until you can find a tie-point with actual history. This guy did it (actually, I'm sure that he had just stolen from some other source without any attribution ... er, call it "research", though the complete lack of attribution does still raise the standard concerns for creationists' total lack of honesty.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1337 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Please point out any one example of human remains dated at millions of years old. Not hominid remains, now - human. I won’t hold my breath, Juve. There are not just human remains that date back to the time of Noah. There are whole cultures, with cities, pyramids, other ruins and artifacts, that date right through that fictional time. If you think Noah is fictional, then the Flood should also be fictional. The consequence is the whole thing is fictional. If so, why do you try to "reason" that the Flood is "impossible"? Is there a chance that a fictional thing is possible? If not, why do you try to argue the possibility of global flood by "reasons"?
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1337 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
See, dwise1 said you are dishonest by saying these incredibly old people are "normal".
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
See, dwise1 said you are dishonest by saying these incredibly old people are "normal". I did no such thing, you lying POS! I was showing that you are the one being dishonest when you twist and pervert what the Bible clearly says. I was conducting an exercise of parody in the purest form: take what is being said seriously and on face value and carry it to its logical conclusions. In the meantime, after your repeated insistence that you want to talk with a geologist, such that you were hypocritically refusing to discuss something since you would only talk with a geologist, now that a geologist has presented himself you refuse to talk to him (Minnemooseus in Message 2129). Faced with a geologist, you run away. The craven dishonesty and hypocrisy you display is over the top even for a creationist. What do you think you are accomplishing with your displays of abject moral bankruptcy? That yours is a false religion that is based on lies and deception? That point is already proven many times over. Take a rest. Your mission against God has been accomplished.
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