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jar
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Message 34 of 301 (202001)
04-24-2005 11:25 PM
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04-24-2005 11:19 PM


I just want an exemption.
Those of us who had to go through relearning it when it was changed should get a 'by' this time. Let the rest go through what we went through but let us be.

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Message 41 of 301 (202163)
04-25-2005 9:56 AM
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04-25-2005 7:15 AM


So you want it off money but still in the pledge? Okay, that's a lot easier. I don't have to relearn anything and that's important at my advancing age.
is there some logic in that?

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Message 50 of 301 (202246)
04-25-2005 2:30 PM
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04-25-2005 12:51 PM


Re: personally?
Just so you give me a 'by' on relearning the pledge and don't try to take 'Play Ball!'out of the anthem.

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Message 53 of 301 (202296)
04-25-2005 4:21 PM
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04-25-2005 4:06 PM


Re: Off Topic and back
Here in the states you usually see one of several ways of using such term.
The most common for school includes grade 1-12 (basically from around age 6-18). Most areas also have some form of pre-schooling that is primarily meant to get kids ready for school, teach social skills and the settings for later education.
There are variation on that, for example the school I went to used grade from 1-6 and then Forms for the higher levels. Many are also broken down into Elementary (1-6), Middle school (&-9) and High for grade 10-12. Again, just to be different the school I went to called them Lower, Middle and Upper.
After completing those you can go on tho higher levels. There are various associate degree programs that are generally trade specific.
College and University may be quite different. Here generally a University is a collection of Colleges, often related to a particular State school system. Colleges are usually stand alone schools, often private in nature. For example, each state has a state university that has campuses located geographically as population requires.

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Message 64 of 301 (281621)
01-25-2006 11:54 PM
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01-25-2006 11:47 PM


However, when you try to incorporate an element of fairness,in saying it would not be appropriate for people to have to hear about creation if they don't believe in it, the same can be said of students now who are hearing about evolution and not believing in it. Isn't it unfair for them?
First , welcome to EvC. We're glad you chose to join us.
Let me ask you a question. Would it be fair to teach folk that 2 + 2 = 5?
Would it be unfair to those who believe 2 + 2 = 5 to teach that 2 + 2 = 4?

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Message 67 of 301 (281624)
01-26-2006 12:13 AM
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01-26-2006 12:03 AM


creationism in philosophy class?
Well, we know for a fact that Evolution happened.
We know for a fact that the earth is billions of years old.
And we know for a fact that the universe is tens of billions of years old.
So how can we discuss in a philosophy class the reasoning behind people accepting things that can be proven to be wrong?

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Message 73 of 301 (281956)
01-27-2006 11:08 AM
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01-26-2006 9:49 PM


Which Creationism?
I think Creationism should be taught in schools.
Okay. Do you mean this one...?
In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx, a bird with black wings. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love. One half of the shell rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia.
or this one ...?
Long before the world was created there was an island, floating in the sky, upon which the Sky People lived. They lived quietly and happily. No one ever died or was born or experienced sadness. However one day one of the Sky Women realized she was going to give birth to twins. She told her husband, who flew into a rage. In the center of the island there was a tree which gave light to the entire island since the sun hadn't been created yet. He tore up this tree, creating a huge hole in the middle of the island. Curiously, the woman peered into the hole. Far below she could see the waters that covered the earth. At that moment her husband pushed her. She fell through the hole, tumbling towards the waters below.
or this one...?
There was a time when everything was still. All the spirits of the earth were asleep - or almost all. The great Father of All Spirits was the only one awake. Gently he awoke the Sun Mother. As she opened her eyes a warm ray of light spread out towards the sleeping earth. The Father of All Spirits said to the Sun Mother,
"Mother, I have work for you. Go down to the Earth and awake the sleeping spirits. Give them forms."
or this one...?
Long ago all the elements were mixed together with one germ of life. This germ began to mix things around and around until the heavier part sank and the lighter part rose. A muddy sea that covered the entire earth was created. From this ocean grew a green shoot. It grew and grew until it reached the clouds and there it was tranformed into a god. Soon this god grew lonely and it began to create other gods. The last two gods it made, Izanagi anf Izanami, were the most remarkable.
or this one...?
People did not always live on the surface of the earth. At one time people and animals lived underneath the earth with Kaang (Kng), the Great Master and Lord of All Life. In this place people and animals lived together peacefully. They understood each other. No one ever wanted for anything and it was always light even though there wasn't any sun. During this time of bliss Kaang began to plan the wonders he would put in the world above.
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jar
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Message 132 of 301 (434972)
11-18-2007 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Beretta
11-18-2007 1:48 AM


Why Creationists huddle in fear.
The same basic lack of logic is seen where evolutionists assume a priori that the earth is billions of years old (to support the concept of evolution, you naturally have to have at least 100's of millions of years).
Of course that is simply another falsehood that you are repeating.
There is a reason that Biblical Creationists do not participate in many of the threads here at EvC, and that is because they have no model that can explain the evidences which are available to everyone to see. No one assumes the universe is tens of billions of years old or that the earth is billions of years old, that is the only reasonable conclusion based on the evidence.
They attach abnormal importance to the radiometric dating methods that (despite many assumptions)support their contention that the earth is billions of years old and ignore so many many other dating methods that support a young earth.
So far no one has ever been able to present a dating method that support a young earth other than using a Special Pleading.
If you actually thought that there was a model that could explain the evidence, then it would seem reasonable that you would start a thread and present it. Please remember that even if you could show the current models wrong, that adds NO support to the Creationist model. The only way that Biblical Creationism can ever become anything more than a bad joke, something to laugh about, is if Biblical Creationists can present models that explain what is seen better than the current models.
You could start by presenting the models for:
The world and evironment 5767 years ago.
How to make sand.
Looking for the Super-Genome. -And it ain't found
Designed/created to fool science?
Salt of the Earth (on salt domes and beds)
Exploring the Grand Canyon, from the bottom up.
and once you provide the models for each of those we can examine your model and see if it actually does explain what is seen.
AbE:
You may want to begin by studying How can "Creationism" be supported? to at least learn what is needed to support Creationism or Young Earth.
Edited by jar, : add link to help Beretta

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jar
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Message 139 of 301 (435144)
11-19-2007 12:05 PM
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11-19-2007 11:23 AM


Re: Why Creationists huddle in fear.
And yet you posted another message that contained NOT ONE SINGLE THING IN SUPPORT of Creationism.
Biblical Creationism is such a joke. Your little god is not even capable of creating a model much less a universe.

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Message 141 of 301 (435149)
11-19-2007 12:28 PM
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11-19-2007 11:23 AM


Re: Why Creationists huddle in fear.
You seemed to skip over most of the content in my post and just reply with more falsehoods, unsupported assertions and outright nonsense.
If Creationism was taught in school, what would you teach about all of the civilizations that were thriving approximately 6000 years ago, on every continent?
If Creationism was taught in school, what would you teach about how sand was formed?
If Creationism was taught in school, what would you teach about the great Bantu migration?
If Creationism was taught in school, how would you explain Oetzi who would have been alive during the supposed lifetime of the fictional character Adam? How would you explain that genetically, he, all the things he carried, all the things he ate, all the things he wore were pretty much the same as today?
If Creationism was taught in school, how would you explain salt beds?
Can you produce any evidence that stands up to examination for Biblical Creationism?

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Message 232 of 301 (436082)
11-24-2007 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 231 by Beretta
11-24-2007 11:36 AM


Re: The Topic is Teaching Creationism in Schools
And I stand by that -unfortunately neither can be proven as they are historical.
I'm sorry but that is simply a silly statement.
Does your existence prove that you had great-great-great grandparents?
Do you ever plan to address the topic or is your goal simply to keep repeating silly and irrelevant nonsense?

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Message 234 of 301 (436086)
11-24-2007 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by Beretta
11-24-2007 11:45 AM


Time to put something on the table.
Kids need to know why evolution is accepted and that it happens to be the consensus -for the moment -but they also need to know why it is not necessarily the truth and why some don't accept it despite the general acceptance.
So far all we have seen from you are unsupported assertions. It is time for you to actually present "why some don't accept it despite the general acceptance" and "why it is not necessarily the truth".

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Message 236 of 301 (436089)
11-24-2007 12:08 PM
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11-24-2007 12:03 PM


Re: The Topic is Teaching Creationism in Schools
The point is, your assertion that historical events cannot be proven has been falsified. If you repeat that assertion you will be seen as dishonest.
Now, do you ever plan on addressing the topic.

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Message 281 of 301 (436532)
11-26-2007 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 279 by Beretta
11-26-2007 10:59 AM


Topic
Not religion -the scientific evidence for design.
Sorry but so far you have presented no such critter, and the topic is "should creationism be taught in schools?"

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