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lyx2no
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Message 161 of 347 (493565)
01-09-2009 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Peg
01-09-2009 4:33 AM


Locust
it would be rather odd that a all wise creator would allow such a destructive species to live with us.
What makes you think dinos were any more destructive then bunnies or weavels?

Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

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lyx2no
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Message 243 of 347 (495892)
01-24-2009 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by prophet
01-24-2009 8:34 PM


It's Called Parody
That's my signature, not part of an answer to anything directly asked of me.

Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

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lyx2no
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Message 269 of 347 (496995)
01-31-2009 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by prophet
01-31-2009 7:24 PM


Re: standards?
Just because there is wind and even waves does not mean these conditions are too great for the Ark to sustain even in a gentle manner. spearation of salt from the water does not necesssarily involve harsh, severe, some extreme... water motion.
Average evaporation rates from the seas is about 4 feet per year. Requiring a depth of water one Mount Everest plus 15 cubits to be whisked off in 110 days is not going to be caused by anything gentle.
The ark will also have to be big enough hold large numbers of veterinarians and trauma teams with experience in multiple crush injuries. Of course this is silly speculation, but so is anything other then a straight forward assessment of how much room would be required to hold just the children's story book version of "kinds": There's the rabbit kind; the turtle kind; the pig kind; the zebra kind . If a six year old can name it it's got to be a kind. The few score of animals known to children would overwhelm such a tiny vessel and crew. After you've calculated that, then start working on details of ventilation.
I was in Hurricanes Charlie and Wilma... And I had NO concerns, even next to ground zero [20 miles inland] relaxing or sleeping through them as they caused distructiuon in our neighborhood.
Try it on a boat next time then it could apply. But if you truly had "NO concerns" as they caused distructiuon in your neighborhood then it might just indicate that you're not all there, and nothing can be said to you that's not so much blather.

Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

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lyx2no
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Message 311 of 347 (497700)
02-05-2009 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 307 by prophet
02-05-2009 3:10 PM


Applicability
My neighbor is going on a cruise to the Bahamas this weekend.
Is she going by unpowered, gopher wood ark during the greatest down pour the world has ever seen with elephants and rhinoceroses and lions and bears and apatosauruses and . ?
In message 287 prophet writes:
Actually, you are not even close. The kind of proof I possess is not subjective - though some may try to make it such. You are correct, in that it is of little use in a debate... It is like bringing tigers to a debate about whether or not tigers exists. Kinda, sorta well... destroys the debate. The proof "I feel, I have" it would still allow one to consider Noah's Ark required more than science. It would prove more than science was available. It is just not yet time for me to show this, but it will be here soon...
The time to throw in evidence in a science debate is up front. That is because it's the evidence one is supposed to be arguing. You're looking for a way to con people or showing your ignorance about how best to get to a reliable-ish conclusion in the natural world.
If you are going to allow magic as a solution to the parts of the story why not cut to the chase and say there are no natural limits to get in the way of it having happened as the story says it happened?
In message 281 prophet writes:
ICU really R lost in space.
If you're going to avoid the point could you at least try to be clever?
AbE:
In message 308 prophet writes:
It is the lack in understanding that this is not necessarily a constant turmoil for the duration, that you imply, of which I take exception.
True enough. How many time can an animal be crushed to death before it stops being usefully reproductive?
AbE: Maybe you have a solution after all. I was looking up info on shipping and found that when shipping grain or gravel the hole is filled, then planking and framework is installed to keep the cargo from shifting as the ship rocks from side to side. Had Noah suspected rough seas ” not hard to imagine ” he would have packed the animals together in some kind of M. C. Esher-tetris type pattern saving space like crazy. Hope I didn't blow your surprise evidence before you were ready to reveal it.
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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

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lyx2no
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Message 334 of 347 (500214)
02-23-2009 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 331 by Black
02-23-2009 11:10 PM


Troll
The rest of your post is mute.
All post are mute. They're written. You mean "moot", troll, but even there you're wrong. You've produced nothing so far but contradiction. Got anything else?
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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

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