Omniscience, Omnipotence, the Fall & Logical Contradictions.

Where are you getting the connection of forknowledge and predistination from? That's not built into the laws of logic.

Yes he did.OK, you may not like what I am about to tell you now, but it's the cold and brutal truth.God is God. Everything that happens is for his glory. There is nothing you or I can do to change it (though we have the free will to chose.) If God wants to send people to hell, that's what he will do. So get the fuck over it.

OK, first, we must define the difference betweeen forknowledge and predestination:Forknowledge - Knowing in advance what will happen. (No effect produced)
Predistination - Bringing about a future event. (An effect is produced)Forknowledge does not create an effect, therefore it cannot be predestination.To say, "God knows in advance what will happen, therefore it will happen, therefore we can't change it" is just as valid as saying, "Whatever will happen will happen, therefore it will happen, therefore we can't change it." We must either accept determinism reguardless of the existance of God, or reject both of these arguments. How can simply knowing about something in the future change the fact that we have free will? It can't. Our knowing the outcome is very relevant, because that's the only way to demonstrate that we have no free will.Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given.Edited by iBibleNano, : I had to change a certian word from can to can't to make my argument clearer.Edited by iBibleNano, : Had to fix the other can.

Christianity is defined by a set of fundamental doctrines outlined in scripture. I am afraid you're not a christian.To be a christian you have to accept my God (aka Jesus Christ) into your heart as your personal lord and savior, and lo, you are welcomed into the kingdom. It's that simple.Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given.

What are you trying to prove?Listen to mike the wiz. Suppose God didn't exist. Our choices would be the same. (Except for those that are influenced (not controlled) by the supernatural powers). Therefore, as mike says, we can conclude that God's existance or forknowledge does not effect our free will. Yes, God does set up circumstances to direct us, but the choices are always ours.

I never admitted it. I merely said, "if". I was making the point that he is God and will always have his way reguardless.

You need to read John 3 carefully. Read it about 7 times. Then think about it. Good works is only how we demonstrate obedience to God. Faith is how we are saved.You ARE NOT a christian. You do NOT believe in the same Jesus that I believe in. Your Jesus probably didn't die for our sins. My Jesus DID!

This is what John 3:16 to 3:18 says: Clearly, as you can see, anyone who believes is not codemned but anyone who does not believe is condemned. Now considering that the bible does not contradict itself, we must conclude that mathew does not mean what you think it means and needs to be interpreted differently.Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given.

The condemnation merely says that people who do evil deeds will likely not believe. It says that because their deeds were evil, they chose not to come into the light. It's that simple.If Matthew truly says that salvation is based on works, than the bible contradicts itself. Since I don't believe the bible contradicts itself, and since I know what John 3 says, I must conclude that Matthew 25 must be interpreted differently.

Any event that will come to pass will come to pass, therefore we can't change it. Is that not an effect in itself? Yet we still have free will.So the predestination and forknowledge thing doesn't work out.Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given.

1. God is omniscient and knows everything before it happens.
2. A person has many choices to chose from but God knows what choice he will chose.
3. Considering that he COULD have chosen any one of those, even though God knew he would chose the one he did, and he did, that means he has free will.

Whether we can avoid it or not is irrelevant because we do not know our own future. So even though a being knows what we will do, we still have freedom of choice because we are not aware of what choice we will make. If we were to know what that choice would be, and were still unable to change it, then there would be no free will.Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given.

Nope. Reguardless of whether or not some entity knows our future our choices will still be ours So it really doesn't matter. Will our choices change if God knows them? Of course not. How can simply knowing the future affect it? It's the future that affects the knowledge. Not the other way around.

You don't seem to understand something. You don't chose X because God knows you will chose X. God knows you will chose X because you will chose X.You have the freedom of choice to chose X or Y. If you were to chose X, God would know about it. If you were to chose Y, God would know about it. But the choice is still yours.

Why do people ask how old their children are on their birthday? Don't they know already? I mean think about it. What's the point?Point is: God wants us to have the experience of chosing him or chosing against him, and afterwords he wants us to have the experience of our consequences. It's as simple as that.Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given.