Bible Question: What was the First Sin?

Well, He did say, "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." That's a pretty clear time frame.And He didn't add any mumbo-jumbo about "spiritual death" or "a day is like a thousand years". The plain words are pretty plain. What's the difference between "He didn't mean what he said" and "He lied"?(And doesn't it occur to you that you're approaching the question in the wrong way? )

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And to think that Adam and Eve were thought to be perfect before they actually ate the fruit. So in essence, the first sin was an innocent little white lie? Funny how those things can grow!

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Since sin is going against God's commands, I would agree that the first sin was Eve eating the apple, but I contend that God had not commanded them not to lie or make a rule stricter (Like putting a fence around the Torah), plus as Adam may have added the Do Not Touch portion when he passed on the command, she may not have been lying. We really don't know. Message 135

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i'm going to throw out another interesting idea, which involves something a little overlooked.
it's really clear that God said "don't eat of the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden", but adam and eve did NOT eat out of their own accord, they were tricked into eating it. and God said nothing about them being deceived... and the reason why i don't think God lied about killing them is because he cursed the SERPENT first. that leads me to think that because they didn't do it on their own, that it was influenced, and they didn't know better (even though they still DID eat it), is why he merely kicked them out of the garden (and the pains of the earth) and forced them to take new measures as to how to get BACK in.
i think God took compassion on them for being deceived, but since they had eaten the fruit anyways, he still inflicted discipline.
maybe God didn't count on them being deceived?Edited by Mikael Fivel, : No reason given.

Well, He'd curse the serpent first for exposing His lie. But if God lied, they weren't deceived - they saw the "light". I'm playing serpent's advocate here, but maybe I'm being too "subtle" for you. My suggestion wasn't so much about nitpicking the details of the story as about the nature of sin.Can/did God sin? If we take purpledawn's definition of sin as "going against God's commands", what if God goes against His own commands? He commanded us not to lie, so if He lied, did He sin?

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uh huh.... suuuuuure lol.but as far as God sinning...
Titus 1:
1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
3But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviouri don't think God can lie. there are a few more scriptures that point this out, if you'd like i can post them. but how would God command himself, and eventually go against his own Commands. if he Created the world and notices that he's not pleased with what he created, its his authority to wipe the slate clean as he did with Noah

That's an extremely weak response. Please think before you post.Of course a liar goes after whoever exposed his lie first. He silences the dissenting voice first and then he's free to reinforce the lie with his victim.If you have an intelligent response, I'd be glad to hear it, but keep your incredulity to yourself. Those scriptures aren't much of a testimonial unless they can be verified. Maybe Paul lied to Titus. Maybe Paul was just wrong. It's all just circular reasoning. That's the question I'm asking: If God tells us not to do something but He does it Himself, does that make Him a sinner? A liar? A hypocrite? A bad example? We're not talking about authority here. Hitler had authority.We're talking about "sin" - "right" and "wrong". Is it wrong for God to say one thing and do another?

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Can/did God sin? If we take purpledawn's definition of sin as "going against God's commands", what if God goes against His own commands? He commanded us not to lie, so if He lied, did He sin?

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The old "do as I say and not as I do" type of parenting. I think the ruling against lying deals with more serious matters, as opposed to exaggerating the consequences.In the story, I don't think God lied, but I also don't see that Eve was decieved. The snake spoke the truth in this story.The only command given in the story was not to eat from the middle tree.

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Why does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but check when you say the paint is wet?

So if you tell your grandson, "You'll die if you eat that cookie," that's not a lie?Come to think of it, children are always saying, "My parents are going to kill me." Who knew that methphor went all the way back to the Garden? So God gets off on a technicality: the commandment not to lie didn't exist yet. Whatever happened to the idea of God being eternal? Didn't He know lying was wrong even before He mentioned it to us?

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So if you tell your grandson, "You'll die if you eat that cookie," that's not a lie?

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Keeps him from eating all my cookies! Many parents engage in deception (lying) to manipulate their children. I guess we learned from the master.Some tell their children not to eat in the living room, but the parents eat in living room. The rules are for the children, not the parents. As children mature, then they learn which type of lying is wrong and which kind is harmless.Many parents make threats of punishment and don't follow through. I guess God didn't think he would have to follow through.By strict definition it would be a lie, but whether that is the type of lie God decreed against later in the Bible is subject for another thread.

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Why does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but check when you say the paint is wet?

It seems to me that whether or not it was a "sin" is the very question of this thread - though I suppose Brian meant only human sins.

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a HUMAN liar would go after who exposes his lies... God is not human.
did Paul lie to titus? good question, to know that, you would have to know who paul WAS before he wrote that, wouldn't you?
as it turns out, paul (previously known as Saul) was one who persecuted christians for their beliefs, but turned away from that and gained Christ... given his writings of how he urged people to turn away from sin, its not likely he would be lying.and the scriptures i'm pointing out about God not being able to lie aren't only old testament, they're a few new testament ones as well.of course we're talking about a God who created the universe and all... i mean if you look at every intricacy about the earth and all its organisms, which took us THIS long to even grasp the concept of, you'd know there was an AWFUL huge amount of intelligence placed in that. and we still haven't found out why some things work and why others don't. you're testing the knowledge of someone who FAR outweighs our capabilities with what little 'knowledge we have'.
it's like an 8 year old constantly trying to prove he knows more than his dad.
i'm not putting us, as humans, down. i'm simply stating that we're really not anything special, we're smart, but nothing great.i'm sure it's something i'll have to ask God for myself when i get to heaven...
"so Lord, what truly is sin and how did it come to be?"
"well, my son, KJOINPOIHLKJLJPOIUBNOJN888" (we don't get to know yet)"
"ooooh.... now i get it."

So, what reliable information do we have about what God would do? No, it doesn't matter who Paul was. All that matters is whether or not his statements are verifiable. Doesn't matter. They could be from Treasure Island but they still have to be verifiable. I'm not testing God's knowledge. I'm testing the veracity of statements made about God, by men. Well, that's a good thing, of course, but that's not what I'm doing. I'm talking about an eight-year-old catching his father in a lie - or rather like a twelve-year-old telling his little brother a story in which their father lied. The first thing you should ask is, "Where are the nailprints in your hands?" That's what Thomas did and he was blessed.

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the first MAN sin was: Eve allowing the serpent to trick her. she could have denied the serpent off the bat and left the tree right then but she became tempted and couldnt refusethe first EVER sin committed was: Lucifer in heaven having impure thoughts in his mind.I believe that Adam and Eve were like children becuase they didnt grow up they were made as adults. They were prone to doing mistakes. and think about it, do you hate them for it? becuase im glad i am able to live in this world because NOW i can learn and grow my mind instead of being told what is what. We grow our minds by experience, Adam and Eve didnt have any experience so they didnt know right from wrong, but now they do. it was intended to be that way. but im going off topic.she didnt committ sin when she rephrased the statement God gave, its like the telephone game, it gets changed a little but the idea hasnt changed. its like me telling you "My mom told me to clean my room because its dirty" she never said "because its dirty", its sort of implied that, now how can you EAT the fruit without touching it? impossibility! lol and i know you would say yeah they hold it, but would the serpent not tempt them more while they are there? if you dont touch it nor get near it then you wouldnt be temptednow look here God told Adam first that he cant eat from that tree, BEFORE Eve came about, so i guess God told her again, and maybe added that extra "Dont touch" becuase he knew what she is going to do? OR Adam told her and emphasized how she shouldnt even TOUCH it. God did not lie, NOR did Eve because we dont even know that she might be reciting what someone told her

Why only humans? Let's talk about the first sin committed by anybody.The sin of hubris--committed when a deity leaves his Garden unattended.Just look at the mess that makes!

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you think that was without purpose?and He was there, He was watching all the timeEdited by Juraikken, : No reason given.