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Author Topic:   Bible Question: What was the First Sin?
zephyr
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Message 59 of 312 (60901)
10-14-2003 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Prozacman
10-13-2003 5:51 PM


Re: litte off subject
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Could Eve have boogied with the serpent? What do you think?
Only if it was a one-eyed serpent.

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zephyr
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Message 85 of 312 (62143)
10-22-2003 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Philip
10-22-2003 6:14 AM


Re: Sin and the Curse
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Christian/New Testament concepts of sin, Satan, redemption, and the Redeemer seem far more matured than Jewish/Old Testament concepts.
That is a very limited perspective. I submit that it the Christian versions of these concepts only strike you as more mature because of a presupposition that they are correct. If God intended his people to believe in a God-Satan dialectic, don't you think he'd have told them about it from the beginning?
Kudos for acknowledging the weakness of the term "mature," but I think it is so weak and unsupportable as to prohibit its use entirely.
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The concept of covetousness (for example) is repeatedly spelled out as sin.
Whose concept are you referring to here? It doesn't get any clearer than "thou shalt not covet...." in the Ten Commandments.

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zephyr
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Message 87 of 312 (62341)
10-23-2003 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by Philip
10-23-2003 12:58 AM


Re: Sin and the Curse
That's just clear as mud to me. I'll check out Romans 1 when I get home, but I still don't see how you can improve upon this:
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
It's absolute, and it's got all the clarity in the world.

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zephyr
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Message 98 of 312 (68974)
11-24-2003 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by abba's dash
11-24-2003 12:51 PM


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Even though they were punished for the sin of eating of the tree of knowledge, it doesn't necessarily mean they knew good or evil. I’m sure you’re familiar with the age of accountability, which basically holds children exempt from hell until they reach the age they can be held accountable for their actions. Children at a young age do not realize what is evil, but only obey their parents, by not performing these acts. For example: A child is told not to play in the street. The child doesn’t play in the street because they are told not to by their parents, not because they think it to be evil. If the child does play in the street, however, is it not still a sin against their parents and worthy of punishment? I believe the same logic to hold true for Adam and Eve. They had no knowledge of good and evil, therefore the only sin that could be committed was disobedience and the only order given to them was not to eat from the tree of knowledge.
You give no reason for exempting disobedience from the reasoning that applies to other sin. Besides, all sin is disobedience to God. Disobedience to God is evil, and they did not know good or evil; thus, disobedience was equally foreign to them as murder or theft.
The age of accountability is a nice and popular concept, but it's a shameless dodge to the question of whether babies go to hell. Tell me, on what day did you become accountable? How did you know you were accountable? The idea is contradictory to our knowledge of the development of the mind. Knowledge and understanding develop slowly along a continuum over a period of years. You don't suddenly wake up one day and understand it all, and realize you're accountable for your actions. You are taught to believe so, one event at a time.

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