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Peg
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Message 91 of 347 (490386)
12-04-2008 5:40 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by NosyNed
12-03-2008 9:43 AM


Re: Kind
hi NN,
my understanding is that the biblical “kinds” seem to constitute divisions of life-forms wherein each division allows for cross-fertility. If so, then the boundary between “kinds” is to be drawn at the point where fertilization ceases to occur. ie a cow and horse cannot breed hence they are different 'kinds'
i dont know who or how the meaning of an animal 'kind' has been changed, can you give me an example?

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Message 94 of 347 (490391)
12-04-2008 6:08 AM
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12-04-2008 5:53 AM


Re: Kind
i really dont know for sure but its something i'll certainly be looking into

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Message 109 of 347 (490491)
12-05-2008 3:03 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Larni
12-04-2008 7:39 AM


Re: How many 'species' on the ark?
i hear you saying there is no evidence of the flood, but what if scientists have found it yet interpret the evidence some other way.
EG: orthodox science teaches that the surface of the earth has been shaped in many places by powerful glaciers during a series of ice ages. But apparent evidence of glacial activity can sometimes be the result of water action. Is it possible that some of the evidence for the Flood is being misread as evidence of an ice age?
the theory of ice ages has changed at times...actually early on they found ice ages at every stage of the geologic history but when they've reexamined the evidence later they rejected many of these ice ages.
formations once identified as glacial moraines have been reinterpreted as beds laid down by mudflows, submarine landslides and turbidity currents: avalanches of turbid water that carry silt, sand and gravel out over the deep-ocean floor
the fossil record is another evidence... the sudden extinction of mammals ... all around the world, species of mammals became extinct. At the same time, there was a sudden change of climate. Tens of thousands of mammoths were killed and quick-frozen in Siberia. This could very well be evidence of a flood that evolutionists dont believe ever happened
so they interpret it another way. They could be wrong !
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

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Peg
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Message 127 of 347 (490749)
12-08-2008 5:44 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Coyote
12-05-2008 10:20 AM


Re: Interpretations (again)
Your totally right, its pretty pointless using a 'what if' as a basis for any sort of arguement... so i take it back
so i'm going to offer some of the strange phenomenon that is found around the earth that makes the flood plausible
1. Fish fossils on mountain ranges.
This tells us that at some time in the past, there WAS water covering much of the earth... from the dessert regions of Lebanon to the driest of places like Australia. In the outback in Australia there are desserts covered in marine fossils which tell us that there was water there... a lot of water.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/500/550/551/abisaad/
2. The Pleistocene Extinction! Atlantisquest.com
The logical answer is that it came with the rapid change that occurred at the time of the Flood. With the removal of the insulating watery canopy, the polar regions were suddenly plunged into a deep freeze, trapping animals that then lived far north of their present habitat. The proof that this was a sudden event, and not something that occurred over a long period of time, is the fact that even the green grass they were eating was quickly deepfrozen in their mouths and stomachs, where it has been discovered in modern times.
3. Creatures from the Jurassic Periods have been found with animals from Cretaceous.
You dont think its even remotely possible that perhaps scientists just might have their interpretations wrong on some things.
BBC NEWS | UK | England | Gloucestershire | Ice-Age rhinoceros remains found
4. Seamounts
There is an estimated 30,000 seamounts across the globe, but only a few have ever been studied. These are mountains under water.If the world was indeed flooded , then surely the fact that thousands of mountains are found under water, make the flood plausible.
for me, someone who belives in the bible account, this is evidence of somethign greater...making the flood plausible and very possible
The final fact for all christians to remember is that Jesus Christ himself spoke of the flood as a real historical event. He was with God and therefore would have witnessed it from the heavens...its not likely he would endorse a myth and teach it to people if he knew it wasnt true.

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Peg
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Message 128 of 347 (490750)
12-08-2008 5:47 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by killinghurts
12-07-2008 6:44 PM


you really want to know how many animals were on the ark dont you!

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Peg
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Message 144 of 347 (490854)
12-09-2008 4:34 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by killinghurts
12-08-2008 9:47 PM


Do you realize how large that vessel was? 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high
1 cubit is between 44cm (17.4inch) - 60 cm
If we calculate according to the conservative estimate of 17.5 inches per cubit, the ark measured 437 feet 6 inches by 72 feet 11 inches by 43 feet 9 inches.
As the ark was divided into three levels, it would have a total of more than 91,000 square feet of floor space and an overall capacity of 1.2 million cubic feet.
That is enough space for 445 standard railroad boxcars
so can you imagine how many animals could you transport in 445 boxcars?

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Peg
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Message 157 of 347 (493302)
01-08-2009 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by killinghurts
12-09-2008 8:56 PM


sure,
it seems he's got something to sell lol
I dont beleive there were any dinosaurs on the ark....unless you want to consider the lizards and scaley animals dinosaurs of course.

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Peg
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Message 159 of 347 (493492)
01-09-2009 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by killinghurts
01-08-2009 7:53 PM


killinghurts writes:
I a have two questions:
a) Do you agree with the above logic? If not, why not?
b) Are you suggesting that "chistiananswers.net" is stating this so that they can sell something? I'm interested to know your explanation of their ulterior motive.
a) i dont agree with the above logic for the reason that dinosaur bones are regularly found in lower earth layers than are human bones, leading many to conclude that they belong to an earlier time period.
2ndly, it would be rather odd that a all wise creator would allow such a destructive species to live with us. I believe they had a purpose for a time and when that purpose was filled, they were destroyed.
b) i was being facetious. I dont know if they have anything to sell lol

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Peg
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Message 165 of 347 (493665)
01-10-2009 7:15 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by lyx2no
01-09-2009 1:38 PM


Re: Locust
their sheer size would make them destructive
there would be competition for food issues with other smaller animals
do you really think we could live with a trex? Please tell me you dont believe that.
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

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Peg
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Message 166 of 347 (493666)
01-10-2009 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by deerbreh
01-09-2009 1:38 PM


no definitely not

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Peg
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Message 169 of 347 (493850)
01-11-2009 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by Brian
01-10-2009 10:54 AM


Re: Locust
they wouldnt ALL need to be big to be destructive
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

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