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killinghurts
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Message 138 of 347 (490829)
12-08-2008 10:38 PM


Some late breaking information:
Did Noah take dinosaurs on the Ark? (Part 1) (The Great Dinosaur Mystery and the Bible) - ChristianAnswers.Net
This suggests that Dinosaurs *were* actually included in the ark, and therefore should be included in our calculations.
Can a creationist please confirm or deny this link.
Thankyou!

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Message 140 of 347 (490834)
12-09-2008 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by bluescat48
12-09-2008 12:07 AM


You are correct, I wasn't thinking using real life examples.
This means that the statement from biblestudy.org
quote:
Based on railroad industry figures a railroad stockcar can hold 240 sheep and each stock car has a capacity of 2670 ft3. Therefore each sheep requires 11.125 ft3.
must (at best) be stretching the truth... right?
EDIT: Actually it has to be an outright lie.. how can a sheep fit in a 1.4 x 1.4 x 1.4 container?
Edited by killinghurts, : added content

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killinghurts
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Message 148 of 347 (490931)
12-09-2008 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Peg
12-09-2008 4:34 AM


Thanks Peg, we have already included your measurements in the approximation of the volume of the Ark (on page 1 of this thread).
Also, would you mind responding to this link:
Did Noah take dinosaurs on the Ark? (Part 1) (The Great Dinosaur Mystery and the Bible) - ChristianAnswers.Net
earlier in this thread you (and others) refuted that Dinosaurs should be included in the calculation. According to christiananswers.net, they should be.
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killinghurts
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Message 149 of 347 (490935)
12-09-2008 9:48 PM


I am going to adjust the calculation on the number of known species, as a result of:
a) Dinosaurs are now included as per Did Noah take dinosaurs on the Ark? (Part 1) (The Great Dinosaur Mystery and the Bible) - ChristianAnswers.Net
b) Birds are now included as per:
Gen. 7:21-23:
quote:
[23] And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
If anyone has a problem with this please let me know.
The following estimates come from the following references:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2008030907491...
How Many Animal Species Are There?
How Many Types of Dinosaurs Are Known?
http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/thomas.wolosz/howmanysp.htm
How many dinosaur species were there? - Answers
I have also taken conservative measurements (i.e there are probably many, many more undocumented species that we simply don't know about). It also does not include insects or animals that have become extinct since the proposed time of the flood.
quote:
Known bird species world wide approx: 9000
Known mammal species world wide approx: 5000
Known dinosaur species world wide, approx: 500
= 14500

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killinghurts
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Message 151 of 347 (491002)
12-10-2008 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by onifre
12-10-2008 2:08 PM


Oh yes you are completely right.
Ill adjust the calculation on page 1 according to this.
Thankyou!
PS: nice avatar.

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killinghurts
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Message 158 of 347 (493435)
01-08-2009 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Peg
01-08-2009 7:02 AM


Thanks Peg.
I am using the explanation found on that page:
quote:
The Bible does not list the names of every creature on the Ark. It does say that one set of every kind of air-breathing animal was on board (Genesis 6:19-20, 7:15-16). So, dinosaurs must have been included.
I a have two questions:
a) Do you agree with the above logic? If not, why not?
b) Are you suggesting that "chistiananswers.net" is stating this so that they can sell something? I'm interested to know your explanation of their ulterior motive.
Thanks

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killinghurts
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Message 180 of 347 (493931)
01-11-2009 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Brian
01-10-2009 10:47 AM


Re: And again
Thanks Brian.
So, Creationists, which do I beleive (and therefore include) in my calculation?
a) Genesis 7:2-3
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
OR
b) Genesis 1:19-20
And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
"Seven" or "Two" of each.
Please give reasons for selecting one or the other.
Thanks!

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