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Author Topic:   Creationists think Evolutionists think like Creationists.
jar
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Message 186 of 485 (570387)
07-27-2010 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by Bolder-dash
07-27-2010 9:20 AM


Re: The limits of material science.
Bolder-dash writes:
I think whether or not there is anywhere else to go with that information is immaterial. If it's even the most likely answer, then as scientists we have to accept that this is the most likely answer.
HUH?
How can evidence point to a super-natural cause?
Edited by jar, : take out a " "

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Message 200 of 485 (570562)
07-27-2010 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by marc9000
07-27-2010 7:34 PM


marc9000 writes:
That’s because compromising Christianity with evolution (Darwinism) is a dangerous thing for a Christian to do.
Nonsense, accepting evolution is the only HONEST thing for a Christian to do.
marc9000 writes:
My point is that I find the written word of the Bible to be on a different level than 19th and 20th century scientific speculations.
Yes, we know that there is no such thing as "The Bible" and that there are factual errors in EVERY Bible regardless of the Canon.

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jar
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Message 204 of 485 (570580)
07-27-2010 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Bolder-dash
07-27-2010 9:24 PM


Re: How evolutionists think...
Bolder-dash writes:
If someone conducts an experiment where a one person in Croatia draws an image on a white piece of paper, and someone in Tulsa is able to describe exactly what that image is without being told or shown, and they can repeat this phenomenon and this procedure is tested scientifically to insure there is no cheating, we may well conclude the best explanation is a super-natural one.
Utter nonsense.
There is no reason there to even consider a super-natural answer.
First, that tells us absolutely nothing. Saying "super-natural" is no different than saying 'wallaslopski"; there is no informational content in either.
The correct procedure is to place that example into the "Unknown Cause" file until we do find a reasonable explanation.

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jar
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Message 208 of 485 (570588)
07-27-2010 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Bolder-dash
07-27-2010 10:04 PM


Re: How evolutionists think...
Bolder-dash writes:
If research is conducted which shows a likely supernatural cause-it is not telling us nothing as you claim. It is telling us that supernatural things can exist. That is actually telling us a lot, even if you don't like that conclusion.
I used the example you presented. There was NOTHING in your example that would suggest any super-natural involvement.
I can say that "super-natural" is a content free silly supposition until you bring that super-natural entity or force and place it on the table to be examined.
Good luck.

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jar
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Message 213 of 485 (570596)
07-27-2010 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Bolder-dash
07-27-2010 10:17 PM


Re: How evolutionists think...
Bolder-dash writes:
So do you say the same thing about quantum mechanics? Until you can observe it is it false?
Of course not, there is evidence of quantum mechanics.
Now if you could actually present some evidence of super-natural, do as I suggest and round up one of your super-natural critters and slap it down on on a lab table, you might have a chance to convince someone.
Bolder-dash writes:
You are free to be a disbeliever all you like-but that is not scientific.
Total utter nonsense. Belief is not relevant in science.

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Message 237 of 485 (570702)
07-28-2010 11:41 AM
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07-28-2010 11:19 AM


Re: How evolutionists think...
There is nothing super-natural about that, just human fallibility and gullibility.
Edited by jar, : add gullibility

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Message 241 of 485 (570708)
07-28-2010 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Bolder-dash
07-28-2010 11:49 AM


Re: How evolutionists think...
Bolder-dash writes:
No, its not the placebo effect. We are talking about the volunteers administering the tests, like the one's turning over cards, or sending out the mental image.
Then I hope you can provide a link to a peer reviewed study that shows that.

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Message 252 of 485 (570781)
07-28-2010 9:05 PM
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07-28-2010 8:55 PM


What is metaphysical about infinity?

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jar
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Message 255 of 485 (570789)
07-28-2010 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by Coyote
07-28-2010 9:30 PM


Re: What is metaphysical about...
Or even ideas like "an absolutely straight line".
The really important thing about Quantum Mechanics is that it is NOT metaphysical or super natural but just yet another step in understanding "Natural".

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jar
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Message 256 of 485 (570791)
07-28-2010 9:43 PM
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07-28-2010 9:37 PM


GDR writes:
Therefore it seems to me that it could only have meaning in the metaphysical.
Fortunately he qualified what he said by saying "Almost always, an infinite answer is meaningless."

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jar
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Message 259 of 485 (570796)
07-28-2010 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by GDR
07-28-2010 9:50 PM


GDR writes:
jar writes:
Fortunately he qualified what he said by saying "Almost always, an infinite answer is meaningless."
He also said this to this particular iussue which isn't quailfied.
"In practice, the incompatibility between general relativity and quantum mechanics rears its head in a very specific way. If you use the combined equations of general relativity and quantum mechanics, they almost always yield one answer: infinity. And that's a problem. It's nonsense."
Please point to where he said anything about metaphysics or super-natural.

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jar
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Message 261 of 485 (570808)
07-28-2010 10:28 PM
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07-28-2010 10:21 PM


GDR writes:
He obviously doesn't. The point is that in the world in which he works is physics which comes fromythe same root word as physical. Within that world it doesn't make sense. Therefore if the calculations are correct, (which they may well not be as there is no doubt more to be leartned), then the evidence leads to a non-physical or a metaphysical answer.
Or more knowledge about the physical, natural world.

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Message 290 of 485 (571148)
07-30-2010 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by GDR
07-30-2010 1:25 PM


GDR writes:
I'm not saying that it isn't wrong but right now the evidence points to something outside the physical. You can only say that it is almost certainly wrong if you discount the possibility of anything outside the physical.
NO!
It simply says that our understanding of what is physical is still incomplete.

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Message 296 of 485 (571174)
07-30-2010 3:31 PM
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07-30-2010 3:20 PM


Re: That's a Big Jump
GDR writes:
Someone might say that because science hasn't found an answer it must be god,(however they define god), whereas the argument here is that although science hasn't yet found an answer it must still have a materialistic answer.
Not true.
The answer here is that nothing but materialistic answers have ever been found, so there is no reason to expect anything but a materialistic answer.

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jar
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Message 300 of 485 (571220)
07-30-2010 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by GDR
07-30-2010 8:19 PM


Re: That's a Big Jump
GDR writes:
Why not? Who would have imagined in 1900 the strange goings on in the world of QM? Who knows what will be uncovered in the future? And of course science should continue to seek a materialistic answer.
There is nothing in QM that is not materialistic.

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