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subbie
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Message 417 of 485 (571680)
08-01-2010 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 416 by Bolder-dash
08-01-2010 11:08 PM


Re: suspending for giving opinion?
You have been in flagrant violation of several forum rules for weeks, with few, if any, exceptions. Others have been temporarily suspended previously for far less than you've gotten away with here. It obviously has nothing to do with your opinions. You really haven't said anything that others haven't said without any type of sanction. It's your rule violations that I was referring to, not your opinions. And I assume that that's what Percy was talking about as well, although I won't presume to speak for him.
You'll likely refuse to believe what I'm saying. I'm mainly speaking for the benefit of any rational person who may be reading this. I don't want them to get the wrong idea. Anyone who thinks I'm not being honest is free to ask for specific examples of what I've said here and I'll happily provide them.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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Message 436 of 485 (571891)
08-02-2010 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 432 by marc9000
08-02-2010 8:51 PM


Re: The search for meaning
Speculation about events of millions of years ago...
No, studying the evidence left by events from millions of years ago to see what we can learn from that evidence.
...ruling out anything but naturalism for all of reality — in what is supposed to be an objective, publicly required/established subject.
Where in the world did you ever get the notion that science rules out anything but naturalism? Science doesn't say everything is the product of naturalistic processes (although some scientists might think so as a matter of personal belief). Science simply restricts itself to the study of natural processes, because that's the only thing that we can observe repeatably.
You really don't know anything about science, do you?
Not peer reviewed you say? Why do you insist on peer review — where do you see peer review as something that the public specifies, or even seriously considers?
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As Thomas Sowell put into words very concisely; People who are very aware that they have more knowledge than the average person are often very unaware that they do not have one-tenth of the knowledge of all the average persons put together.
That's why peer review. Any scientist can make a mistake. Usually unintentionally, but occasionally intentionally. Peer review decreases the odds that a mistake of either kind will be missed. Findings must be reviewed by other people, knowledgeable in the field, who are specifically looking for mistakes, trying to prove that something is wrong. That's why peer review.
And what the public relies on is quite irrelevant. Most of the public know very little about science and how it's conducted. A great many people may think that they do, but much of what the public thinks about science is wrong. I'm sure you'll think that sounds elite or something, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
"Origin Of Species" wasn't peer reviewed.
Science has come a long way in 150 years, and believe it or not, On the Origin of Species has been effectively peer reviewed millions of times since its publication.
Peer review seems to be for science what the courts are to Democrats — the judge/jury said this, so that trumps everything that a much larger group of people thinks.
Wonderful little bit of demagoguery there, Abbot. But your insecurity notwithstanding, the fact of the matter is that those who are educated in the law and in science actually do know more about those fields than those who aren't. It's really rather silly for you to suggest otherwise. And your apparent position that we should rely on millions of uneducated opinions over a several thousand educated ones seems staggeringly irrational to me.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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Message 449 of 485 (572235)
08-04-2010 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 446 by marc9000
08-04-2010 8:27 PM


Re: The search for meaning
When it studies its way right past other considerations that might clash with its naturalistic "findings". By not knowing when to stop as it crosses over from science to metaphysics.
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And they’re the ones who write the textbooks, the ones who do the peer review, the ones who imply that everything is the product of naturalistic processes.
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Sometimes it simply restricts itself and sometimes it’s a weapon against religion. Often in a matter of only a few paragraphs, it can seamlessly switch itself back and forth between those two things, if the atheist scientist is clever enough.
I'd be absolutely delighted if you were to produce evidence to support these claims.
Assertions about separation of church and state being central to US foundings would hit the trash can faster than a scientific peer review of a Michael Behe research paper.
I'm fairly confident that I know more about separation of church and state than you do since it was about one half of my ConLaw II class in law school. So I'm not even going to ask you to defend that little bit of hysteria.
What do you think about those who are educated in Christianity? Is it equally silly for scientists to write books to cheapen it?
You seem to be equating a naturalistic criticism of Christianity with a religious-based criticism of science. You're doing a marvelous job of proving the accuracy of the topic of this thread. Well done, pal.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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