Did the Biblical Exodus ever happen?

Jar, you continual allegement that ole man Buz who's been studiously into the Bible for 60 plus years is a Biblical novice is getting wearisome. Lay off it.Obviously you're unaware of Exodus 14:2, 3. Jehovah is telling Moses what will happen after they follow his instructions.Exodus 14:2, 3 (ASV) Entangled is synonymous to entrapped. They are shut in, i.e. entrapped.It is also logical to assume that they were entrapped in rugged terrain. Else they would have fled by an escape route. Go figure.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

Did you even read my explanations as to why this is nonsense? [/qs]In addition, the rock claimed as the rock at Horeb is not at all unusual and I provided many links to similar split rock formations from all over the world.[/qs]These other formations are straw-men examples, Jar. They have no corroborating relationship to the region in this discussion nor do they have anything resembling a waterflow. Even if they did, what would it prove relative to this debate?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

What version are you quoting from, Jar? What ever it is, it's not very literal to the Hebrew. There's a big difference between the meaning of the words, confusion and entanglement., the latter the literal. There also can be a big difference in the meaning of the words, desert and wilderness, the later, the more literal. Wilderness coupled with entanglement coupled with the context, implying that the only escape was through the seaway, coupled with all of the other corroborating evidence is indicative of entrapment.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

I know a whole lot about Islam. I have a copy of the Koran and am aware of what it says. I also have other books as well as the Internet from which I've acquired some knowledge.I know that the Bibles have been confiscated in Saudi Arabia. It is regarded as somewhat competitive to the Quran. It is also forbidden to be propagated in the nation whereas the Quran is not.For Islamists to ascribe to the Biblical exodus, would be for them to legitimize the nation of Israel. After all, Biblically, Jehovah promised the land of Canaan to the Jews forever. No?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

Your road is made of straw, man. Your link map is nowhere near the Nuweiba region. Let's see a road route leading down the Western coast to Nuweiba Beach. Then we'll talk. The images in this link give you a better idea of the terrain, things about the columns etc. Could they h ave been entrapped on this beach. Of course they could have.Btw, the columns were not one of my high evidences. They were thrown in for good measure

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

The Biblical record says Sinai is in Arabia. The corroborating evidence does not take you to the traditional Mt Sinai. You need to show some corroborating evidence for justification of the traditional Mt Sinai sizing up to the Biblical record. The depth of the sea near the traditional Sinai is no where near as shallow as Nuweiba. It's very deep, as is most of the Red Sea.There is a conceivable reason for them to go there. Jehovah wanted to destroy Pharaoh's army so as to rid Israel of his threat from then on all of the way to the eventual Promised Land.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

LOL, Theodoric. What the image shows is what the crossing site is today. What the image does not show is what the crossing site was before the waters were separated long enough to dry up the crossing site, a great multitude of people and animals to cross and for Pharaoh's large army of chariots to enter the sea.In order for the sea bed to wind dry and for the great multitude, including the animals, etc to get across, a significant amount of water would have built up upstream where the Jordan River flowed into the sea at it's inlet. A significant amount of time would have passed. For the great multitude a relatively wide area would have been dried, leaving an extremely great depth of water upstream where the Jordan flowed in. .Then after Jehovah lifted the thick cloud preventing Pharaoh from moving was lifted there would have had to be significant time for the large army of pursuers to move up and to completely occupy the sea floor.Now, consider the North upstream wall of water and the South downstream wall. Upstream, the Gulf of Aqaba would have become significantly higher as the River Jordon flowed into it while the activity was going on at the crossing. Downstream the sea level would have waned some as the flow from the Jordan would have been shut off.The build up from the North side would have rendered the North depth higher than the South depth. What this would have created is a tsunami. We all know the power of water to erode. What one should expect to see today is precisely what the image shows; a deep cut in the middle of the crossing site as the North wall of water overpowered the south wall, effecting a North to south tsunami.The least affected would have been nearer to the shores as the deeper area of the sea above the site would have been where the erosion would have been the greatest. Likely this is why relatively few chariot parts and other things from the army remained as evidence relatively near the shore lines.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

From what I've understood, no Bibles are allowed to be dispersed or preached in Saudi Arabia. Though Mohammed gleaned distorted doctrines that suited his concocted up scripture, he never acknowledged the Biblical god, Jehovah. Nor did he ever acknowledge Jehovah's favor-ability to Jacob and his 12 tribe sons who became the patriarchs of Israel over Esau, (ABE: Jacob's brother, who's descendents were the enemies of Israel.) Certainly, Saudi Arabia would have a vested interest in avoiding the Exodus, favorable to the Jews and all else relative to the Old Testament scriptures which were favorable to the Jews and unfavorable to the Islamic nations.I'm not aware of any of Mohammed's references to Moses which would have been favorable to the Jews, when, in fact Moses was all about the Jews. He only referenced him and others, gleaning from them what suited him. He also, like Joseph Smith, referenced Biblical characters in order to lend some credence to his distortions as a scripture of sorts.Certainly that strategy worked quite nicely for Johnny come lately scripture distorters like Mohammed and Joseph Smith. It shows right here at EvC, as some have cited that as favorable to Mohammed and his Koran. No doubt it is a significant factor in the conversion of Americans to Islam. Edited by Buzsaw, : Edit an error about Esau's relationship to Jacob.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

I stand corrected on the North/South tsunami point and the Jordan. I didn't have my thinking cap on.However, the back up from both North and South would have still been significant enough to cause extensive erosion, particularly from the middle where the greater pressure would have been from the deeper center from both directions. A tsunami of sorts would have been created.Perhaps also, Jehovah, in order to make sure no one survived, released one direction ahead of the other so as to sweep the army into the deeper waters. This also would have buried the majority of them so as not to rise to the surface and escape.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

I checked the context of the quotes above. Nothing in these verses or in the context specifies the Jews or Jehovah. He refers to you and refers to them as the people of Moses and not the people of Jehovah. In lands where the Old Testament is forbidden, the ones reading this, not being aware of the OT scriptures would not likely equate the you to the Jews, nor as the people of the Biblical god, Jehovah.Admittedly Americans and others in our time from nations having Bibles would be aware of more than those not having Bibles.I'm quite sure that Saudi Arabia does not allow the propagation or dispersing of any part of the Bible in that nation. If you can show otherwise, I'd like to see your source.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

We have the debris and all of the corroborating observable evidence that I have cited supportive to the Biblical account of the event. We deduce from that the knowledge of the erosive energy of a tsunami wash back from the walls of water.We also have significant evidence for the existence of the Biblical god, Jehovah such as the fulfilled prophecies, historical data and archeology, etc.The notable Josephus is an example of a non-Biblical historian who acknowledges the Biblical flood event happening some 2500 years before his time.Time and again I've cited these things. Yet to a person, you skeptics keep on keeping on harping that Buzsaw has never ever produced one iota of credible evidence for the Biblical record, the existence of the Biblical god, Jehovah and particularly the Exodus event. Time and time again ye skeptics keep on demanding that Buzsaw produce some evidence, as you have here, but when I do, it is all simply waived off.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Yah, my bad. I got that all balled up. Gotta leave now. Will address it when I get back.

You can debate that with the linguists. The translators of nearly all English versions of the Bible used Jehovah. Somewhere in the archives there's a thread on that in case you want to go there. It's off topic here. You're right. I should have reviewed what I said before posting. At 75 I plead, senior moment. Perhaps some day you'll be there and do that now and then. I've edited Message 215 for the correction.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

LOL. I have cited more corroborating observable evidence for the acclaimed Biblical Exodus event than scientists have for the Big Bang singularity and multi-verse theory. It's a given. Folks who avoid accountability to a higher power will never acknowledge one whit of evidence supportive to such a power such as the Exodus evidence is.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

We've debated this in the thread, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, adonai, lord, elohim, god, allah, Allah thread. over five years ago, Jar. I suggest that you go there and review that debate. If you have something new and profound there's where you can debate it with whoever cares to engage you 'til your heart's content.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.