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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: And again you show an inability to even comprehend the idea of justice. Which is why if your views prevailed we WOULD have tyranny.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Righto. Punish us for our Biblical beliefs then, that's what you want to do.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: There's nothing more to say because I'm right and you know it. You can't answer my points because you don't care about justice, you only want the law to come to the conclusions you want without any concern for how they get there. And that is contrary to the very idea of law. And that is why your views lead to injustice and tyranny.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I obey God, period. Your society forbids me to obey God. You call that justice, I call that fascism. End of subject.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Lies and slander are no measure of justice.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'd say there are plenty of lies on your side, about what justice is, and slander in the form of accusing my beliefs of leading to tyranny. Lots of lies and slander on your side, and that amounts to your wanting to punish us for our Biblical beliefs. And you have the thranny of the state on your side.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I'll say it again: Segregation is not supported by the Bible . . . Are you really blind to the irony of that statement? You pass judgement on everyone else's interpretation of the Bible, but when it comes to your interpretation no one is allowed to judge.
But the Bible is clear that gay marriage is a violation of God's law and therefore laws that forbid us from refusing to honor gay marriage will not change our minds and we'll have to take the punishment. Where does it say that in the Bible? Where does it say that baking a cake for a gay couple's wedding as part of a non-discriminating business means that you are honoring their gay marriage?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I obey God, period. Your society forbids me to obey God. You call that justice, I call that fascism. End of subject. You are making it up as you go, as shown by your inability to produce a single Bible verse that forbids christians from baking wedding cakes for gay marriages.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Righto. Punish us for our Biblical beliefs then, that's what you want to do. Just like we punished the segregationists by making them serve food to Negroes.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: You mean that you follow your own prejudices, against the teachings of the Bible.
quote: No society can permit religious belief to be a get-out-of-jail free card. And that is settled law, which you agree with when it works against others. That the same should apply to you IS justice.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's fine, Taq, you refuse to recognize Christian theology and reasoning, so we'll take the punishment accorded by those of your fascistic mindset.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, I obey God, the true God who was recognized by your culture and mine up until the recent takeover by paganism or secularism or whatever you want to call it, which has redefined justice, freedom, the lot, to accommodate false gods and evil gods and every kind of god but the true God. And yes, your false ahistorical and fascistic definition of justice is going to punish those who obey the true God, haven't I been saying so all along?
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
You are falsely insisting again that Christians must obey certain laws meant for the Israelites that two centuries millennia of Christian theology are clear have nothing to do with Christian life. We are not under the food laws of ancient Israel, we are not a theocracy like ancient Israel and we do not execute sinners. Christ came to save and not to condemn sinners. You keep trying to impose your own false theology on us. If the Leviticus laws don't apply to Christians, the passages from Genesis do not apply to Christians. Make up your mind.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: And yet you can't answer our arguments which show that we are supporting justice, and you are against it. Nor the arguments pointing out how your position can lead to tyranny, and loss of religious freedom. You, on the other hand just offer wild accusations which ignore inconvenient facts.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: I could not have offered a better argument that you desire a tyranny.
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