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PaulK
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Message 181 of 928 (729074)
06-05-2014 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
06-05-2014 3:14 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
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Whatever you say, Paul, the tyranny of the state is on your side this time and Christians, true Christians, historically Biblical Christians, the sort that used to be prevalent in western culture, will just have to suffer from your refusal to recognize our just claim to religious freedom.
And again you show an inability to even comprehend the idea of justice. Which is why if your views prevailed we WOULD have tyranny.

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Message 182 of 928 (729075)
06-05-2014 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by PaulK
06-05-2014 3:42 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
Righto. Punish us for our Biblical beliefs then, that's what you want to do.

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PaulK
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Message 183 of 928 (729076)
06-05-2014 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Faith
06-05-2014 3:36 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
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As I said, your mindset is going to prevail in this fascistic society and we will have to take the consequences. There is really nothing more to say about it.
There's nothing more to say because I'm right and you know it. You can't answer my points because you don't care about justice, you only want the law to come to the conclusions you want without any concern for how they get there. And that is contrary to the very idea of law.
And that is why your views lead to injustice and tyranny.

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Message 184 of 928 (729077)
06-05-2014 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by PaulK
06-05-2014 3:46 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
I obey God, period. Your society forbids me to obey God. You call that justice, I call that fascism. End of subject.

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PaulK
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Message 185 of 928 (729080)
06-05-2014 4:01 PM
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06-05-2014 3:43 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
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Righto. Punish us for our Biblical beliefs then, that's what you want to do.
Lies and slander are no measure of justice.

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Message 186 of 928 (729081)
06-05-2014 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by PaulK
06-05-2014 4:01 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
I'd say there are plenty of lies on your side, about what justice is, and slander in the form of accusing my beliefs of leading to tyranny. Lots of lies and slander on your side, and that amounts to your wanting to punish us for our Biblical beliefs. And you have the thranny of the state on your side.

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Message 187 of 928 (729082)
06-05-2014 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Faith
06-05-2014 3:12 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
I'll say it again: Segregation is not supported by the Bible . . .
Are you really blind to the irony of that statement?
You pass judgement on everyone else's interpretation of the Bible, but when it comes to your interpretation no one is allowed to judge.
But the Bible is clear that gay marriage is a violation of God's law and therefore laws that forbid us from refusing to honor gay marriage will not change our minds and we'll have to take the punishment.
Where does it say that in the Bible? Where does it say that baking a cake for a gay couple's wedding as part of a non-discriminating business means that you are honoring their gay marriage?

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Message 188 of 928 (729083)
06-05-2014 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Faith
06-05-2014 3:49 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
I obey God, period. Your society forbids me to obey God. You call that justice, I call that fascism. End of subject.
You are making it up as you go, as shown by your inability to produce a single Bible verse that forbids christians from baking wedding cakes for gay marriages.

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Message 189 of 928 (729084)
06-05-2014 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by Faith
06-05-2014 3:43 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
Righto. Punish us for our Biblical beliefs then, that's what you want to do.
Just like we punished the segregationists by making them serve food to Negroes.

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PaulK
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Message 190 of 928 (729085)
06-05-2014 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Faith
06-05-2014 3:49 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
quote:
I obey God, period
You mean that you follow your own prejudices, against the teachings of the Bible.
quote:
Your society forbids me to obey God. You call that justice, I call that fascism. End of subject.
No society can permit religious belief to be a get-out-of-jail free card. And that is settled law, which you agree with when it works against others. That the same should apply to you IS justice.

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Message 191 of 928 (729086)
06-05-2014 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by Taq
06-05-2014 4:05 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
That's fine, Taq, you refuse to recognize Christian theology and reasoning, so we'll take the punishment accorded by those of your fascistic mindset.

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Message 192 of 928 (729087)
06-05-2014 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by PaulK
06-05-2014 4:07 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
No, I obey God, the true God who was recognized by your culture and mine up until the recent takeover by paganism or secularism or whatever you want to call it, which has redefined justice, freedom, the lot, to accommodate false gods and evil gods and every kind of god but the true God. And yes, your false ahistorical and fascistic definition of justice is going to punish those who obey the true God, haven't I been saying so all along?

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Message 193 of 928 (729088)
06-05-2014 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Faith
06-05-2014 3:27 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
You are falsely insisting again that Christians must obey certain laws meant for the Israelites that two centuries millennia of Christian theology are clear have nothing to do with Christian life. We are not under the food laws of ancient Israel, we are not a theocracy like ancient Israel and we do not execute sinners. Christ came to save and not to condemn sinners. You keep trying to impose your own false theology on us.
If the Leviticus laws don't apply to Christians, the passages from Genesis do not apply to Christians. Make up your mind.

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PaulK
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Message 194 of 928 (729089)
06-05-2014 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Faith
06-05-2014 4:03 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
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I'd say there are plenty of lies on your side, about what justice is, and slander in the form of accusing my beliefs of leading to tyranny. Lots of lies and slander on your side, and that amounts to your wanting to punish us for our Biblical beliefs. And you have the thranny of the state on your side.
And yet you can't answer our arguments which show that we are supporting justice, and you are against it. Nor the arguments pointing out how your position can lead to tyranny, and loss of religious freedom.
You, on the other hand just offer wild accusations which ignore inconvenient facts.

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PaulK
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Message 195 of 928 (729091)
06-05-2014 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Faith
06-05-2014 4:11 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
quote:
No, I obey God, the true God who was recognized by your culture and mine up until the recent takeover by paganism or secularism or whatever you want to call it, which has redefined justice, freedom, the lot, to accommodate false gods and evil gods and every kind of god but the true God. And yes, your false ahistorical and fascistic definition of justice is going to punish those who obey the true God, haven't I been saying so all along?
I could not have offered a better argument that you desire a tyranny.

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