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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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Where is the law of God that forbids christians from baking cakes for gay weddings? Matthew 5 and Luke 7:
quote: quote: It's pretty clear from a naive child-like reading that Jesus wants us to select arbitrary sinners, some of whom may be full of love, and find ways of attempting to scorn them using 'the Law' as our reasoning, and that we should never ever endorse, allow intimate contact with or forgive a sinner. We should kick them out of the house so the decent people can praise Jesus who was so moral he told shopkeepers to deny service to taxmen, Samaritans, lepers and prostitutes in the cases where the service may be construed as endorsing sinful behaviour. Seriously, you should really read between the lines, very closely the Bible!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Racism Lives On Under the Cover of 'Religious Freedom'
In an interesting new survey, the Public Religion Research Institute found that 10 percent of Americans believe business owners should be able to refuse to serve black people if they see that as a violation of their religious beliefs. [...] And on other issues of belief and lifestyle, Americans are also more willing to accept discrimination. Fifteen percent of PRRI's respondents, including 19 percent of Republicans and 21 percent of white evangelicals, said it's okay to deny services to atheists. And 12 percent said the same about Jews.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sad situation in the once-Christian English-speaking world.
But the bottom line remains: Require me by law to anything that supports gay marriage and I'll disobey that law and take the consequences.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
I don't see any evidence that either your position, or the position of the terrorist is 'God's will'.'
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
I am sure you can quote where it says 'A man shall not marry a man, nor a woman marry a woman'.
Please, provide that quote.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Oh boy, you won't refer to the specific scriptures.. because, you know why faith??
You know that your claim does not hold up to scrutiny, particularly if you read the claim in context. Context means so much, yet, I noticed many religious conservatives are unable to put more than a few sentences together in a row for their theology. They will knit a sentence here, and a sentence there, all out of context, and then claim 'it's the Word of God'.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I already referred to the specific scriptures, more than once. Your expectations do not determine how a Christian reads the Bible and acts on it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I will act on what I believe whether you see it or not.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
I am sure you do.
The question is .. are you acting rationally, compassionatel or consistent with the books you claim are holy. Having read those books, and seeing your behavior, I see a lot of discrepancies.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
By calling good evil and evil good [Isaiah 5:20] you give yet another excuse for the fascist state to persecute Christians. Once again, we'll take the consequences of your evil laws.
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Jon Inactive Member
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Righto. Punish us for our Biblical beliefs then, that's what you want to do. I don't think anyone wants to punish you for your beliefs.Love your enemies!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No they want to punish us for acting on them.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
Answer me this simple question Faith.
On what legal basis should the court decide that it is wrong for a segregationist to refuse to provide a cake for a mixed-race wedding but right for one of your "Christians" to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding ? I'm not asking for YOUR rationalisations. I'm asking for the basis that the courts should use.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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I will act on what I believe whether you see it or not.
Yes, we see that and know that all too well. Like all other believers of all kinds of theologies and ideologies, you will act on what you believe. Regardless of how utterly and completely wrong your beliefs may be, exactly that same as with all other believers of all theologies and ideologies. You are no different in this regard than a jihadist, a Bolshevik anarchist, or a Catholic. Your beliefs have nothing to do with Christianity, but rather with your fallible human misunderstanding of Christianity. Your beliefs have nothing to do with what the Bible says, but rather with your fallible human misunderstanding of what the Bible says. Your beliefs have nothing to do with any actual god or gods, but rather with your fallible human misunderstanding of fallible human concept about one particular human idea of a god. Of course, you will insist that we must accept your misunderstandings as true, but your record informs us otherwise. After all, we cannot test your claims about God and other aspects of the supernatural, since the supernatural is outside our ken and our ability to perceive and test and verify. But you have been so consistently wrong about things that we are able to test that there is no conceivable reason for us to believe you about things that we cannot test. As much as you have demonstrated how much you hate reality, you still need to deal with reality. You have expressed your disdain for diversity, but diversity is part of our shared reality. Reality is that our society is very diverse. Reality is that our society includes a wide spectrum of religious beliefs and traditions. Reality is that we all need to live together peacefully and get along with each other, peacefully. And reality is that society's rules and expectations of us need to promote behavior that promotes peaceful coexistence and discourage behavior that threatens peaceful coexistence.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That race is a legitimate protected class, homosexuality is not.
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