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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Obeying God is never a log in one's eye, much as some here try to make it so. Where did God say "Don't bake a cake for a same sex wedding?" AbE: I think a relevant passage that shows how the God character in the Bible would view the issue of baking a cake for a same sex marriage can be found in 2 Kings 5:
quote: Here, Naaman says that he will only worship the Israeli deity but since he lives and is the servant of a man who worships a different deity asks if it would be acceptable for Naaman to accompany his master, to aid his master and to even bow down in the temple of the other deity and the response is "Sure, go in peace". It seems that God thinks courtesy. faithfulness and good manners are more important than refusing service to others. Edited by jar, : see AbE:Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: This is just now getting started, it's going to take some time to develop, how much I don't know, but if the Supreme Court rules against opponents of gay marriage next month it could take off fast. I seriously doubt that the Supreme Court will mandate that anyone marry someone of the same sex so I see no way that any ruling from the Supreme Court could be an issue to any honest Christian.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: I guess you won't notice an escalation of Bible inerrantists being criminalized for refusing to cater to gay weddings or preaching what the Bible says about marriage and about homosexuality because in your mind it can't exist. No one would be criminalized for preaching what they think the Bible or Koran or any other similar collection says. That is just nonsense. In the US the right to preach bigotry is protected. There is nothing in the Bible that says Christians shouldn't bake cakes for a same sex wedding and if some group tries to claim they have some special right to not bake cakes for a same sex marriage and that breaks a law then of course they would be behaving as criminals. I will re-post what it says in 2 Kings 5 to help you. I think a relevant passage that shows how the God character in the Bible would view the issue of baking a cake for a same sex marriage can be found in 2 Kings 5:
quote: Here, Naaman says that he will only worship the Israeli deity but since he lives and is the servant of a man who worships a different deity asks if it would be acceptable for Naaman to accompany his master, to aid his master and to even bow down in the temple of the other deity and the response is "Sure, go in peace". It seems that God thinks courtesy, faithfulness to fellow humans and good manners are more important than refusing service to others even when that service is contrary to God's word.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
In addition there is the absurdity of claiming Roman Catholics persecute Christians. Roman Catholics definitely are Christians and there has been a long history of Christian vs Christian persecutions.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And you actually believe even one word of that?
AbE: In addition, even if it was true what does that have to do with the topic of this thread or the US? Roman Catholics are still Christians and no different than you and your Chapter of Club Christian or should I post what you have said should be done with Roman Catholics in the US? No one doubts that there are religious bigots in both camps. Edited by jar, : see AbE:Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: There's a passage in the Bible that says something like Woe to those who hold a person guilty over a word. That's what you are doing. The point I'm making does not hinge on your petty precision in making an issue over my imprecise use of the word "belief" as opposed to "acting on belief." What I spelled out is factual changes in the law that do criminalize Christians for preaching the Bible or acting on their belief in the Bible, and this has occurred in reality as I showed. Oh I'm sure you can make me a miscreant over some other word though or even the same one since obviously all you care about is obscuring the true point I made while accusing me of something, anything. All your accusations could be true but the point I made is still factual. There are no examples in today's United States of anyone being criminalized for speech or beliefs unless that speech poses a credible risk of harm to another person or their property. To claim otherwise is simply a lie. There is no Biblical basis for refusing to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage and as a matter of fact the Bible actually has passages that say common courtesy and love for fellow humans is more important than even following some law, even a law from God. You have even been provided with just such a passage from the Bible. Sorry but you and all the other members of your Chapter of Club Christian have lost this debate on Biblical as well as a humanitarian basis. Edited by jar, : fix sub-title Edited by jar, : appalin spallinAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Nobody wants to address how fast all this is happening, this criminalizing of ancient Christian practices. Many ancient Christian practices should be criminalized; folk today are generally more moral than the Gods of the Bible ever were.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: And another vote of approval without addressing the topic of how fast Christians have come under persecution. I suppose the Antichrist will soon take his place at the head of it all. That is because there is no persecution of Christians in the US. To claim that there is is simply a lie.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Funny if it's a lie that I showed how there wasn't persecution and then there started to be persecution. It's a demonstrated fact. But it's still just in the very beginning stages. Shouldn't be too long before it's far enough along to declare it a done deal. Except you have totally failed to show that Christians in the US are being persecuted.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Either you just haven't bothered to read back to the beginning of this discussion or you are having a reading problem. Perhaps I actually understand the meaning of "persecution"? Being a Christian gives no special privileges. Being sanctioned for breaking laws is not "persecution". No one has ever presented any possible Biblical justification for not baking a cake for a same-sex marriage. Sorry but your position fails on Biblical, moral and humanitarian grounds.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: Right, and here we have another Redefinition in order to avoid the plain truth. Denial and redefinition. Perhaps this time you can point out what terms are being redefined, or just stop making shit up.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Even physical retaliation against us by gays is not to be prosecuted. I had the silly idea that if I kept repeating the arguments SOMEBODY would get it and give up the absurd injustice, but it isn't happening.
Once again you are simply just making shit up and lying. No one has said or implied or asserted or suggested or hinted that violence by any group against another group should not be prosecuted (note that is a different word than "persecute") and you are simply once again just making unsupported, dishonest, irrelevant assertions.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I will call for prosecution of vandals period, but I have also not seen a believable report of vandalism against Christians over refusing to bake cakes for a same-sex wedding. Remember I would want believable reports not just crap from the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
And if you could actually read you would see that was NOT the correspondence Taq made and that you are simply misrepresenting his position, as expected.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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What is even funnier is Faith complaining that some Mexican Roman Catholics forced Evangelicals to leave their village when she has made statements like the following from her posts and blogs.
quote: and from Message 246.
Faith writes: Since we will have laws against atheism I suppose those are the options, yes. They will have to live under our laws as written or leave. Faith writes: This would have to be determined as the state took form, what limits there might be on those who have alien views. They certainly would not be allowed to hold office or teach their views, but they might be allowed to vote in some elections depending on what the election was about, since they should have the right to arrange some things according to their wishes if they want to do so among people whose views they have come to hate. Faith and the rest of her tribe are the greatest threat that the US faces IMHO.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Thank you Faith for supporting my point and demonstrating you are no different than the fanatics in Chiapas and Hidalgo. I knew I could count on you for a clear example of why the members of your Chapter of Club Christian are the greatest threat the US has ever faced and why the 1st. Amendment was included in our Constitution to protect us from folk like you.
Edited by jar, : what ---> whyAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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