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Pressie Member (Idle past 293 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Vimesey, I agree. That Holocaust Memorial is one of the most "profoundly moving experiences" I' ve ever had. Also, it's situated on a piece of land where anyone entering it without permission could legally be shot dead until relatively recently (end of 1989). No questions allowed.
To get back on the subject, I wonder whether Hair Furor has ever visited that memorial. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 391 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
I suspect he isn't aware of it - and possibly not of the true extent and nature of the Holocaust itself - but who knows.
And yes, the Germans were (and are) pretty concerned about Neo Nazis defacing the memorial - I would need to check the shooting dead business though.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Pressie Member (Idle past 293 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
That memorial is situated between what used to be in an area between East and West Berlin. Surrounded by walls.
The walls were in East Berlin. The Big Wall right next to Western border (built by East Germany) was seperated from the Small Wall (also built by East Germany) by a few hundred metres, depending on the area. In that area where the Holocaust Memorial is now, that area was around 500m in width. Nobody was allowed to be in that area without permission. They got shot by East German Border Guards for trying to cross the border. No questions asked.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1723 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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If you want to know, which I suspect you don't, because you like the delusion that Islam is just a benign peaceful religion, which already takes an amazing level of delusion considering the information that is readily available all over the internet, including of course their occasional indulgence in murder in honor of Allah. Actually I distinguish between terrorists, fundamentalists and moderates, just as we have here with Christians: terrorists that bomb clinics and assassinate doctors, fundamentalists that say their opinion is better than others, and moderates that accept other people can have different views and still be moral law abiding citizens. You paint ALL Muslims with a broad brush covered in tar as members of ISIS ... which curiously kills more Muslims than Christians ... because that is what terrorists do ...
The delusion is yours. I read this a year before 9/11 in the book "Philistine" by Ramon Bennett, which QUOTES many Muslim leaders in the Arab world saying quite clearly that their strategy is to populate other countries to the point that they have enough population to take the country for Allah. But of course you like most people here don't want to know the truth. Since that book was written there has been a steady movement in that very direction. I've mentioned this book before. I'm sure it's not the only source of this information. Probably Jihad Watch is one good internet source. A book. Really. Rather than blaming a whole religion and culture you should be looking at people who are radicalized.
quote: This white christian terrorist action occurred just after Trump issued his Muslim ban. Did Trump's views radicalize him, promote him to become a terrorist? We also have
Are these people being radicalized into acts of terror by Trump? If you think not then what is your explanation for this increase in home grown (mostly white christian) terrorist activity? Do you support these radicalized homegrown terrorist actions?
quote: So I guess all that lynching and burning and bombing and killing wasn't terrorism to drive non-white non-Christian people away or to suppress their activity. Right. Do you support the KKK or their actions? If you are truly worried about being killed by a terrorist, the likelihood is higher that it will be a white christian homegrown terrorist than an immigrant Muslim. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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vimesey Member (Idle past 391 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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You're right - apologies - I'm half asleep :-)
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1762 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
CS writes: Does the Green Card actually give full Constitutional protection of due process to aliens? I find this question a bit strange. Do you believe that only citizens of the United States have real Constitutional rights? I find THIS strange, VERY strange. I don't know what legal protections apply to Green Card holders -- certainly they must have some legal protection under US law, and of course under international law at least. But "real Constitutional rights" belong ONLY to the citizens of the United States. What a bizarre idea that they are to be extended to foreigners. This kind of thinking is promoted by globalists and is designed to destroy national sovereignty, and threatens the well being of the legitimate citizens of a nation..
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1723 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
"Whatever is right in response to the stay" is to obey it, not to behave like the tinpot dictator of a banana republic. quote: So 10 days in, and he's acting like "tricky dicky" Nixon in his efforts to avoid impeachment. "tinpot dictator" indeed ![]() by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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PaulK Member Posts: 18047 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
That is an odd point of view. If the Constitution says that the government can't do something should we always read "except to non-citizens" into it ?
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 1175 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined:
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But "real Constitutional rights" belong ONLY to the citizens of the United States. 14th Ammendment:
quote: Source: Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights Unless you want to try and argue that non-citizens (illegal or legal) are not actually 'persons', then the Constitution is pretty clear that even illegal aliens have the Constitutional right to due process and equal protection under the laws of the United States.
quote: quote: The problem as I see it with Trump's order (other than it being vague and misplaced) is that it has the potential of depriving those who have been granted legal access into the country of their due process. So there are those who are showing up at the airport, on US soil, with legal documentation and are being detained and removed or potentially removed without their due process rights being respected. That, in my opinion, is what is illegal about the order and what the former acting Attorney General objected to. ABE: What I think would have been more appropriate is to order that new visa applications be halted for a period of time (which is actually what Obama did in his action that is being compared to this action). It may be an appropriate and necessary step to ensure that our process for determining who comes into our country is sound and provides us the best possible protection. However, targeting Muslim countries that have no record of killing US citizens in the country doesn't seem like the best approach. It is simply fear and prejudice driven. /ABE HBD Edited by herebedragons, : No reason given.Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 1175 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined:
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"tinpot dictator" indeed It seems to me that Trump thinks he should be able to run the country like he runs his business - like he owns them and that his word and will are paramount. He is used to having his way in his companies and expects the country to work like that as well. Unfortunately, it will probably be that those who oppose him will be Democrats and "liberals" and so opposition will appear to be strictly partisan. However, I sure hope that Republicans will recognize his recklessness and bullying and oppose him as well. But it appears he is loading his administration up with 'Yes' men who think like he does. HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1762 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Actually I distinguish between terrorists, fundamentalists and moderates, just as we have here with Christians: terrorists that bomb clinics and assassinate doctors, fundamentalists that say their opinion is better than others, and moderates that accept other people can have different views and still be moral law abiding citizens. You paint ALL Muslims with a broad brush covered in tar as members of ISIS ... which curiously kills more Muslims than Christians ... because that is what terrorists do ... Yes, Muslims kill as many or more Muslims than others, but it is all from the same mental set based on the religion of Islam. And No, I do not treat all Muslims as members of ISIS, it is ISLAM, not MUSLIMS, I'm talking about. Most Muslims don't live their religion to the point that the radicals do. But the problem is that the religion itself demands violence from them if they ever do become more devoted to it. They are human beings like all the rest of us, but the ideology they follow is dangerous. Trying to make this into a matter of individuals as it would be under most other circumstances, is in this case inherently risky. Islam doesn't acknowledge any law other than its own. It regards all the laws of other nations as enemies of Allah. Sharia Law is the only law they respect. Muslims are pawns of their own religion, and pawns of their Muslim leadership, and always subjected to threats from these sources. If they become Christians they are immediately targeted for murder. And this goes on all over the world all the time. You are imposing a western mindset on this situation. They don't accept your western mindset. They can't, their religion calls it satanic. They will of course play along as if they agree with you but they don't; they can't. If they do become truly westernized they become targets for murder. If for only that reason they can't be truly honest. You have no way to vet such people beyond the most superficial facts because their ideology has them in mental chains, and that makes them a danger to the rest of us. Unfortunately you share the very dangerous opinion that actually promotes Islamist violence. In reality Islam itself is not moderate. It can be shown that the Bible is violated by the very very few who commit the kinds of crimes you have in mind, but the reasons for this violence are completely different from Muslim reasons. Unfortunately the official books of Islam are fulfilled and not violated by Muslim violence. It is the religion itself that promotes their violence. THIS IS NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUAL HUMAN BEINGS, not about MUSLIMS themselves, it's about ISLAM, the RELIGION OF ISLAM. THIS IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE JIHADIST VIOLENCE, the WRITTEN ORDERS TO KILL "INFIDELS" along with the example of Mohammed himself who spread his new religion by murdering those who refused to accept it, whole villages. "Moderates"' are simply Muslims who for whatever reason don't practice Islam at its full tilt. But because the violence and murder in the service of making the world totally obedient to Allah, are all advocated in its sacred books, ANY MUSLIM can be radicalized simply by becoming a more serious follower of his own religion. THIS IS NOT THE CASE WITH ANY OTHER RELIGION ON THE EARTH. Sorry I'm repeating myself but you are seriously misled.
The delusion is yours. I read this a year before 9/11 in the book "Philistine" by Ramon Bennett, which QUOTES many Muslim leaders in the Arab world saying quite clearly that their strategy is to populate other countries to the point that they have enough population to take the country for Allah. But of course you like most people here don't want to know the truth. Since that book was written there has been a steady movement in that very direction. I've mentioned this book before. I'm sure it's not the only source of this information. Probably Jihad Watch is one good internet source. A book. Really. You prefer the internet I suppose? Well, as I said, Jihad Watch is pretty thorough on the subject. But this book I'm talking about was written by someone who knows the subject well and has 47 pages of bibliographical notes. I'm going through it trying to pick out the best quotes from Muslims to demonstrate what I'm saying. FROM MUSLIMS, not just the author.
Rather than blaming a whole religion and culture you should be looking at people who are radicalized. Well, that is basically what Trump wants to do, and that will go some distance toward protecting us. But unfortunately for the reasons I give above it can never be completely trustworthy. Because the whole religion IS to be blamed. It's the religion that is the threat, and only people who believably reject either all or the violent parts of that religion could ever be completely trustworthy. Since they are very likely to dissemble in order to appear to be no threat, how are you ever going to know for sure? As for the Mosque incident:It is possible of course that a Trump supporter could attack a mosque, but the timing is very strange in that case, right when Trump's own policies are clearly working to protect us from Muslim violence. It is really very likely that this is a "false flag" event designed by Leftist and Muslims sources to point the finger at Trump and his supporters. This reportedly very quiet and timid student was very likely set up for this purpose. Trump supporters have no reason for such violence, but our enemies get plenty of mileage out of any excuse to blame us for such things.
My guess is that this whole list is a pack of lies designed to imply that if such incidents occurred at all they were by Trump supporters, WHEN IN FACT ALL THE KNOWN DOCUMENTED INCIDENTS HAVE BEEN BY ANTI-TRUMP SUPPORTERS AGAINST TRUMP SUPPORTERS. The latest was an attack on a Trump supporter in Portland. It's on video. Since right after the election there have been incidents of Trump supporters being attacked, beaten up, verbally abused. The first one I recall seeing, right after the election, was by four or five black guys who dragged a white guy out of his car and beat him, thinking he was a Trump supporter, which as I recall it turned out he wasn't. But they thought he was, though his being white was probably enough anyway. Even Ivanka Trump was subjected to verbal abuse on an airplane, and a woman was recently escorted off a plane for verbally assaulting the man next to her after finding out he had been at the inauguration to celebrate Trump, whereas she had been there for the women's march. And I almost forgot that incident a couple weeks ago of the four blacks who tied up the mentally handicapped young white man and tortured him, forcing him to say things against Trump and against white people. There have also been reports of people masquerading as KKK to insinuate that Trump supports the KKK which he doesn't. Even black people have donned the white garb for that purpose. They have to keep their dark skin from showing. Under the robe and hood they can deceive even you. Don't believe everything you read, RAZD. I am not worried about being killed by a Muslim terrorist, RAZD. That is not the real problem. The problem is that once inside the country they work to change our laws and customs and the cujlture itself to accommodate Islam, and over time to grow their population to the point that they can rule the nation as they want. When their population gets large enough, and it is growing a lot faster than European populations, then you'll see the violence escalate. Don't believe everything you read, RAZD. May I recommend that you occasionally spend some time at conservative or libertarian or anti-globalist anti-Leftist sources trying to understand the truth as we see it, instead of dismissing it all by the Leftist propaganda formula as "alt right?" Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 1175 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
Nothing here but fear and hate, Faith. That's how we are supposed to live? SMH
Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1762 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
May God forgive you.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1762 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They should have confirmed Sessions by now so that he wouldn't be subject to an Obama appointee's political bias. In fact isn't that likely the reason they are dragging their feet on confirming his appointees, to subject him to his enemies as long as they can get away with it?
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1762 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There are plenty of Republicans against Trump.
You think Obama didn't act like an autocrat? What world are you living in?
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