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JonF
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Message 262 of 444 (846594)
01-09-2019 11:24 AM


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The Pittsburgh synagogue shooting was a mass shooting that occurred at Tree of Life — Or L'Simcha Congregation[a] in the Squirrel Hill neighborhood of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on October 27, 2018, while Shabbat morning services were being held. Eleven people were killed and seven were injured. It was the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in the United States.[4][5]
The sole suspect, 46-year-old Robert Gregory Bowers,[6][7] was arrested and charged with 29 federal crimes and 36 state crimes.[6][8] He pleaded not guilty to all 44 crimes laid against him in federal court.[9] Using the online social network Gab,[10] he had earlier posted anti-Semitic comments against the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS)[11][12] in which Dor Hadash[13] and Tree of Life[14] was a supporting participant. Referring to Central American migrant caravans and immigrants, he posted on Gab shortly before the attack that "HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in."[15]
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treated him.[51] Those killed were:
Joyce Fienberg, 75
Richard Gottfried, 65
Rose Mallinger, 97
Jerry Rabinowitz, 66
Cecil Rosenthal, 59
David Rosenthal, 54
Bernice Simon, 84
Sylvan Simon, 86
Daniel Stein, 71
Melvin Wax, 88
Irving Younger, 69
Of the four injured officers, three were shot and one was injured by glass fragments.[33]
Suspect
Robert Gregory Bowers (born September 4, 1972),[6][7][52] a 46-year-old resident of Baldwin, Pennsylvania, was arrested as the suspected shooter.[53][54][55][56] Bowers' parents divorced when he was about one year old.[57] His father reportedly committed suicide at the age of 27,[58] when Bowers was about 6 years old.[58][57][59] Bowers' mother remarried to a Florida man when Bowers was a toddler, and he lived with them in Florida until they separated a year after their marriage.[57] Upon returning to Pennsylvania, Robert and his mother lived with his mother's parents in Whitehall. His grandparents took responsibility for raising him, as his mother suffered from health problems.[57] Bowers attended Baldwin High School in the Baldwin-Whitehall School District from August 1986 to November 1989. He then dropped out of high school and worked as a trucker.[60][61] Neighbors described Bowers as "a ghost" and said he rarely interacted with others.[53]
According to accounts of Bowers' coworkers of 20 years ago, and analysis of recent social media posts, what started out as staunch conservatism transitioned into white nationalism; at one point Bowers was fascinated by radio host Jim Quinn but at a later point he became a follower of "aggressive online provocateurs of the right wing’s fringe."[62] He was heavily involved in websites such as Gab and had promoted anti-Semitic conspiracy theories online through social media.[63]
Gab has been described as "extremist friendly"[64] for neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and the alt-right.[64] Bowers' Gab profile was registered in January 2018 under the handle "onedingo", and the account's description was: "Jews are the children of Satan (John 8:44). The Lord Jesus Christ [has] come in the flesh." reflecting Christian Identity beliefs[citation needed]. The cover picture was a photo with the number 1488, which is used by neo-Nazis and white supremacists to evoke David Lane's "Fourteen Words" and the Nazi slogan Heil Hitler. He had published posts supporting the white genocide theory. Bowers also stated supporters of the QAnon conspiracy theory were "deluded" and being tricked.[65][66][67] He also re-posted content by other anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi, white nationalist/supremacist and Holocaust-denying users such as Patrick Little and /pol/, as well as reposting comments in support of the Southern California-based alt-right fight club Rise Above Movement (aka RAM) who were present at Charlottesville and were later convicted and arrested by the FBI in October for violence against counterprotestors[68][69][70][71] and he criticized President Donald Trump for being a "globalist, not a nationalist"[72] and for supposedly being controlled and surrounded by Jews.[73] In another post, he wrote, There is no #MAGA as long as there is a kike infestation.[56] Other posts attacked African Americans with racial slurs and images related to lynching, and attacked women who have relationships with black men.[74] He also used his online accounts to post conspiracy theories regarding investor and philanthropist George Soros.[75] Bowers also had links to the far-right and neo-Nazis in the United Kingdom according to security sources.[76]
A month before the attack, Bowers posted photos showing the results of his target practice, and a photo of his three handguns, calling them his "glock family".[69] In the post, he identified the .357 SIG handguns as Glock 31, Glock 32, and Glock 33.[68]
Bowers also worked with alt-right associated blogger and League of the South (another organization present at the Charlottesville riots) member Brad Griffin (aka Hunter Wallace) of Occidental Dissent on doxxing an unidentified left-wing blogger posting "that address is not the most current for him. I can get you the most recent outside of gab".[77]
In the weeks before the shooting, Bowers made anti-Semitic posts directed at the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS)[11][12] who sponsored National Refugee Shabbat[78] of October 19—20, in which Dor Hadash[13] and Tree of Life[14] participated. He claimed Jews were aiding members of Central American caravans moving towards the United States border and referred to members of those caravans as "invaders".[10] Shortly before the attack, in an apparent reference to immigrants to the United States, he posted on Gab that "HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in."[15][79][56] According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, "the mention of 'optics' references a disagreement that has raged within the white nationalist movement since the Unite the Right rally in 2017 about how best to get their message across to the general public".[80]
After the shooting, Gab suspended Bowers' profile and pledged to cooperate with the criminal investigation.[65][71] Shortly after the attack, PayPal, Stripe, Joyent, and Medium pulled support for Gab, and GoDaddy, which the Gab domains were registered under, required Gab to relocate their domain name hosting to a different service in the wake of the shooting, effectively shutting Gab down in the short term.[81]

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JonF
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Message 263 of 444 (846595)
01-09-2019 11:28 AM


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On January 10, 2018, 19-year-old University of Pennsylvania sophomore Blaze Bernstein was found dead in a park in Orange County, California, eight days after having been reported missing. He was visiting his family in Lake Forest, California, when he was killed.[1] He had been stabbed twenty times. Two days later, Samuel Woodward, one of Bernstein's former high school classmates, and a member of neo-Nazi terrorist group Atomwaffen Division was arrested and charged with murdering Bernstein.[2] As Bernstein was both openly gay and Jewish, authorities declared that Bernstein was a victim of a hate crime.[3]

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JonF
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Message 283 of 444 (846633)
01-09-2019 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Faith
01-09-2019 4:30 PM


Watch those goalposts fly! From "no right wing violence" to "no right wing violence in the current context" to "no political right wing violence since November 2016"!
Does the same caveat apply to antifa? What specific antifa incidents meet that criteria? What is your definition of "politics"? Do political arguments count?
Charlottesville.
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JonF
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Message 284 of 444 (846635)
01-09-2019 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Faith
01-09-2019 4:36 PM


I keep listing incidents of recent right-wing violence, forcing you to move the goalposts in a vain attempt to avoid admitting you are wrong.
CHARLOTTESVILLE!
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JonF
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Message 285 of 444 (846637)
01-09-2019 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Faith
01-09-2019 4:41 PM


Re: No one?
Present your evidence here in your own words.
As you've insisted so many times.
If you won't click a link don't expect others to.

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JonF
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Message 293 of 444 (846649)
01-09-2019 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Faith
01-09-2019 5:12 PM


CHARLOTTESVILLE!!!!
Right wing political violence and murder since November 2016. What additional restriction will you introduce to try to rule that out?
I don't know of any left wing violence that meets your latest criteria. Can you list any?

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JonF
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Message 294 of 444 (846650)
01-09-2019 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by AZPaul3
01-09-2019 5:37 PM


Faith's occupied digging up the goalposts for the next move. It'll probably be no right wing political violence by men under five feet tall since November 2016.

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JonF
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Message 302 of 444 (846682)
01-10-2019 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 300 by Faith
01-10-2019 9:12 AM


Antifa is a loose group of collaborating organizations, not left wing violence (obviously meaning specific incidents).
I don't know of any left wing violence that meets your latest criteria. Can you list any?
Guess not.

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JonF
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Message 305 of 444 (846691)
01-10-2019 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 304 by Faith
01-10-2019 10:35 AM


So, to summarize...
You can't name one instance of left wing violence that meets your criteria.
You refuse to acknowledge the best known instance of recent political violence and murder; the right wingers in Charlottesville.
Typical right wing BS.
ABE of course acknowledgi Charlottesville would be admitting your "no right wing violence" faceplant.
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JonF
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Message 317 of 444 (846748)
01-11-2019 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 307 by Faith
01-10-2019 8:32 PM


Charlottesville murder.
Thanks for confirming that you can't name a single antifa incident that meets your criteria, and you can't even acknowledge the right wing murderer at Charlottesville.
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JonF
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Message 319 of 444 (846750)
01-11-2019 9:48 AM


BTW the vast majority of refugees locked up and shut out are not and will not be undocumented immigrants. They are seeking asylum. That's legal under US and international law. 8 U.S. Code 1158 - Asylum:
quote:
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
Far too much reality for you, no doubt.

  
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Message 320 of 444 (846752)
01-11-2019 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 318 by Faith
01-11-2019 9:41 AM


You've named no antifa incidents that meet your criteria, now with new and improved restrictions.
The goalposts fly again... now it has to be premeditated. And the murderer must be there intending to murder. Murder is cool as long as it's spur-of-the-moment. Except in US law. James Alex Fields Jr. was found guilty of first degree murder. First-degree murder: any intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice a forethought.
It's pretty pitiful when you endorse murder to avoid admitting your error.
And it's even more obvious that no antifa incidents meet your increasingly restrictive conditions.
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Message 324 of 444 (846779)
01-11-2019 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 323 by Faith
01-11-2019 2:43 PM


So you're badgering from admitting there's despicable right wing violence?

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JonF
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Message 327 of 444 (846787)
01-11-2019 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 325 by Faith
01-11-2019 2:57 PM


I said what I meant
Of course you did. And what you said was despicably and trivially false, SOP for you.
Message 218
quote:
there is no right wing violence, but there is lots of left wing violence against MAGA people. And the Left needs to soundly denounce Antifa and take measures to eliminate them or I don't believe any of their claims to oppose them.
Notice what you led with. Since then you've been frantically inventing restrictions in a vain attempt to exclude the Charlottesville murder (just one instance of right wing violence).
You said you weren't convinced James Alex Fields Jr. committed premeditated murder. The car drove into the crowd at 23-28 mph, stopped, reversed for several blocks (injuring more) and fled. You think he didn't intend to do that?
Moreover, do you think that was non-violent?
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JonF
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Message 331 of 444 (846806)
01-11-2019 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by Faith
01-11-2019 6:55 PM


Vaccination rates in Mexico and Central America are higher than in the US. The asylum seekers carry very little disease. Very few of them have any criminal record. Once they're in the US they commit far fewer crimes per capita than native-born people.They have excellent work ethics and do lots of essential jobs that nobody else wants.
Note that Trump proposes to cut off aid to Central America. That'll make their conditions worse. Liberals favor trying to help them ameliorate conditions in those countries. Republicans, not so much.

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