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Message 1830 of 2370 (879218)
07-13-2020 1:40 AM
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07-12-2020 6:22 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
Preach your religion to someone else. Statements of faith that cannot and are not supported have no place in a discussion.

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Message 1833 of 2370 (879236)
07-13-2020 2:08 PM
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07-13-2020 4:18 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
I agree, there is no other nature.

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Message 1834 of 2370 (879237)
07-13-2020 2:11 PM
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07-13-2020 12:25 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
No. People believe the claims of origins posited by science over their own personal beliefs. That does not make it anything more than beliefs. In every instance posters raised here so far, what you thought was evidence was actually beliefs foisted onto evidences.

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Message 1836 of 2370 (879317)
07-14-2020 3:26 PM
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07-13-2020 4:18 AM


She comes, she goes
Give the spinning head routine a rest. Nature is what it is today. It exists. The nature of yesterday and tomorrow will also exist and did exist. You have not addressed the temporal nature issue.

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Message 1837 of 2370 (879318)
07-14-2020 3:28 PM
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07-14-2020 11:59 AM


Proof not poof
Dictionary.com says this.
"that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof."
That works for me. Believing, for example nature was a certain way in the past on earth is not proof. Not evidence.

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Message 1839 of 2370 (879355)
07-15-2020 10:22 AM
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07-14-2020 5:22 PM


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That's not a scientific definition. Science deals with real-world observations and measurements.
The scientific definition must conform. The present world is what you consider the real world and it is real now. However, the present nature is not real in the far past or the future. Therefore when you offer predictions of the past or future based on the present real world, that is not any measurement at all, but a belief based projection.
"Science noun
noun: science
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment."

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Message 1841 of 2370 (879363)
07-15-2020 11:40 AM
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07-15-2020 11:02 AM


in the box
One can only conform to small and restricted definitions that don't apply to broader issues so much. What one cannot do is apply those little in box definitions beyond the limits they apply.

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Message 1844 of 2370 (879379)
07-15-2020 2:31 PM
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07-15-2020 11:49 AM


Re: in the box
Science has limits and those are determined by the scope of knowledge and abilities they have, not by them voting on it! Ha.

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Message 1845 of 2370 (879380)
07-15-2020 2:33 PM
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07-15-2020 12:16 PM


The use of the word actually goes beyond the limits of so called science and even actual science. The need for proof of claims does not end when one dons a lab coat and spouts off on TV.

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Message 1849 of 2370 (879398)
07-15-2020 4:44 PM
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07-15-2020 4:00 PM


sticks and stones
Address the issues here and evidence your position. I'd prefer not to descend to the level of childishness and foot stomping and cry baby whining that you try to goad us into.

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Message 1850 of 2370 (879399)
07-15-2020 4:46 PM
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07-15-2020 3:42 PM


Re: in the box
If science has no limits, raise the dead! Fly people to the stars!
Humble down and admit man has limits in knowledge and ability.

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Message 1851 of 2370 (879400)
07-15-2020 4:50 PM
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07-15-2020 3:52 PM


a rose by any other name
A scientific discussion for you seems to be insulting others, and making silly statements.
The flood is not within the power of science to determine one way or the other. The way science models the past is using the present and nature today. That does not fit any definition of the word evidence.

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Message 1854 of 2370 (879414)
07-16-2020 3:21 AM
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07-15-2020 5:37 PM


Re: in the box
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Physics, this universe, as revealed to us by this science, limits what actions matter and energy can take. The science is not limited. The physics is.
Total baloney. You are unable to admit the limits of man's knowledge and abilities.

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Message 1855 of 2370 (879415)
07-16-2020 3:23 AM
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07-15-2020 6:17 PM


Re: a rose by any other name
Unless you want to deny that science assumes a same nature in the past it is a matter of scientific basis for models. Your other choice is to prove it.

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Message 1859 of 2370 (879442)
07-16-2020 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1856 by AZPaul3
07-16-2020 7:10 AM


Re: in the box
quote:
As with all physical things in this universe the laws of physics places strict limits on the physical actions of we puny humans
Time is not a law of physics nor is space. One limit science has is the limit of being unable to leave the solar system area. Science also only deals with the present nature and laws on earth and has no way to deal with anything else. It lives here.
quote:
But it has also allowed through the emergent properties of our physical minds an intellect and a creative imagination that appear unbounded through time.
Speaking of unbounded imagination, you seem to have some.
quote:
You are right, I cannot admit to limits on our knowledge and abilities because, as history has shown us, unfettered by religious shackles, both knowledge and ability continue to progress. There is a vast universe of knowledge to be uncovered and we humans have just barely begun to explore. We have overcome so many "limits" to our knowledge and ability in the past that only a religious fool would suggest this will not continue.
Fine, don't admit you don't know it all. Your religion of hate toward other religions is not something I respect.

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