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Author Topic:   Believing it is not proving it
Phat
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Message 106 of 300 (299962)
03-31-2006 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Faith
03-31-2006 3:30 PM


Re: Lookingglass Logic at EvC
Faith writes:
Knowing you are right about something is not being arrogant, Phat. That's one of the biggest confusions people have.
Phat writes:
OK
I once tried very hard to be "humble" and not object to a pastor's preaching I could hardly stand listening to I knew it was so wrong. Finally I actually HEARD from the Lord Himself about that, one of very few occasions when I know He spoke to me directly into my very being. He "said" (somehow, not audibly, but unmistakably) "That is not humility."
Phat writes:
And that is a personal moment between you and the Lord, which I respect. Just out of curiousity, do you remember what that Pastor said that was so WRONG?
Thank You Lord. I went to the pastor and said a few very polite well chosen words and then I left the church for good. I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit when I was speaking to the pastor.
Phat writes:
I pray that we feel it now!
That's how I feel about my point about logic here.
Phat writes:
I might point out, however, that some of your words here could arguably be not so polite nor well chosen. Of course we all are equally as guilty of that sin, occasionally.
You asked me to explain the logic problem to you. It is WELL explained in the first post and the sixth post. You should have grasped the point by now.
Phat writes:
There is a difference between the necessity of biological evolution and the necessity of a godless Cosmological origin. Lets focus on which fort we are going to defend.
Both are logically incompatible with Christianity.
Im not convinced that biological evolution is incompatible with Christianity. Does this infer that anyone who believes in what they study and practice are WRONG and are not Christians?
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Phat
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Message 112 of 300 (300027)
04-01-2006 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Faith
04-01-2006 9:39 AM


Re: Silly indeed.
Faith writes:
I've been worn out with the war here, got a surge of determination for this thread, but that may be it for a while.
Thats ok. Take a rest, sip some lemonade by the old Oak Tree, invite jar over for a glass and, above all, remember this scripture:
NIV writes:
Prov 21:31
1 The horse is made ready for the day of battle,
but victory rests with the LORD.
My horse needs a nap!

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Phat
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Message 113 of 300 (300122)
04-01-2006 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
04-01-2006 9:42 AM


Re: Wait for Robin
Faith writes:
What was "not nice" about what holmes was saying?
Nothing, actually aside from the fact that he was bringing up old stuff....but then, don't we all like rehash with our corned beefs?

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Phat
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Message 224 of 300 (300513)
04-03-2006 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by robinrohan
04-03-2006 12:36 AM


Redirecting this topic
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Phat
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Message 225 of 300 (300516)
04-03-2006 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by robinrohan
04-03-2006 12:36 AM


Redirecting this topic
Crashfrog writes:
Religious belief isn't under an obligation to make sense
RobinRohan writes:
Yes it is. In my book.
Is Belief Proof? Short answer: No.
I cannot prove that my beliefs are provable. IMHO, God can give me logic that will cause many to think. He can do anything.
God is under no obligation to make sense to human rational thought, however. In My Book, human wisdom is shown time and time again to lead to wars, bad decisions, and attributing (or blaiming) the behavior on God. The U.S. does this today, as our Theocratic neo-con government attempts to infuse patriotism with manifest Christian destiny and "liberate" the world from the tyranny of non-capitalistic governments.
Jar and I dont agree on everything, but, if anything, he and Ringo have convinced me that behavior is a bigger proof than belief.

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Phat
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Message 241 of 300 (300624)
04-03-2006 2:27 PM
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04-03-2006 10:39 AM


Re: Redirecting this topic
Mr.Dictionary writes:
whimn : a sudden wish, desire, or change of mind
Robin of Rohan writes:
Surely you must have some reason for believing in God, unless it's just a whim.
Its much more than a whim. Call it a lifelong relationship with a special person. I may not always get what I want but I have found that I get what I need. (Apologies to Mick Jagger for stealing his lyrics)

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Phat
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Message 243 of 300 (300638)
04-03-2006 2:54 PM
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04-03-2006 2:48 PM


Re: Redirecting this topic
Sir Robin writes:
Oh, I thought perhaps you had some logical reason for your belief.
Websters writes:
logicn 1 : a science that deals with the rules and tests of sound thinking and proof by reasoning 2 : sound reasoning 3 : the arrangement of circuit elements for arithmetical computation in a computer logical-adj logically -adv logician- n
If by logical you mean do I have a scientific reason, I would say that I do not, apart from my own subjective interpretation of my own sanity.
Through internal verification, I have my own reason, which is patently logical within my own subjective judgment.

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