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Author Topic:   Believing it is not proving it
ringo
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Message 148 of 300 (300301)
04-02-2006 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by robinrohan
04-02-2006 1:13 PM


Re: I find your position illogical
robinrohan writes:
If morality is subjective, it is meaningless. Our sense of right and wrong would be no more meaningful that our preference for one color over another.
You seem to be confusing individual morality with "corporate" morality.
Our individual sense of right and wrong is no more "meaningful" than our colour preference. The only thing that gives morality meaning is how we relate to other members of society.
At the individual level, morality is subjective. At the social/corporate level, those individual "subjectivities" add up to something practical - but still not objective. "Meaning" is a practical matter, not a logical one.

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ringo
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Message 245 of 300 (300640)
04-03-2006 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by robinrohan
04-03-2006 1:52 PM


Re: The Dilemma
robinrohan writes:
Otherwise, sin would be a meaningless concept.
Sin is a meaningless concept - except in practical terms.
Jesus reduced the commandments to "Love God and love thy neighbour as thyself". Those are practical commandments, designed to help us get along with each other.
"Sin" is the impractical - what sets us against each other. Sin is what a particular person does to another particular person at a particular time. It makes no sense to talk about "objective morality".
If God made the process, then He is responsible for it morally.
Similarly, it makes no sense to impose "morals" on God.
Morals are based on social interactions - how we treat each other. Thus, morals vary from society to society and from situation to situation. They are subjective.
God is not a "social animal". Therefore, for God "morality" is undefined.
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