Landmark gay marriage trial starts today in California

Tyra Hunter was a trans woman that was involved in a crash in DC. When emergency crew discovered that she had male anatomy, they refused to help her. Finally, someone took pity on her and drove her to the hospital. She bled to death in the emergency room because the staff there refused to treat her.This was in 1995. I'm pretty sure there were laws in place to prevent something like this from happening. And yet, it happened.Laws don't mean jack shit if societal attitude still contradicts them.I'm not saying the extreme that you think I'm saying. I'm not saying societal attitude is all there is to it. Sure, we need to change the law. I'm saying it takes a combination of both for this to work. The law is changing at an expected rate, but the change in societal attitude is slow to a crawl.I blame this on you guys, the liberal commie political correctness police crowd.

Haven't you been watching the republican debates? Every time a candidate says something even remotely close to gays be gone they got a huge round of applauds. When asked about DADT they'd say they want the gheys back in the closet and the crowd went wild. Remember that this is all on national tv.I say I blame our current situation on the liberal commie political correctness crowd because every time someone says something that are against gay people but in a harsh language they'd get yelled down. This has made the bigots to choose their words far more wisely. They're still saying the same thing, just different choice of words. Things don't change until all hell breaks loose.Take the current republican candidates, for example. They all support reinstituting DADT in the military. But wait, service men and women have already come out. This is the same as saying get the hell out of the military, you faggots.See, I'd rather they just come out and say it so the whole world can see their true colors. But no, every time a bigot use the wrong words, you shout him down and tell him how to say the same thing with better choice of words.

Allow me to explain again. Crashfrog, you listening?In the past, civil/women/whatever rights movements have been successful because of 2 things: (1) the people whose rights in question demonstrate and demand respect and (2) their opposition was shown to be bigot bastards. The southern firm opposition to desegregation showed turned the rest of the country to favor desegregation. The more the racist bastards murder and beat the desegregationists, the more mainstream society became in favor of desegregation and eventually equal rights.But nowadays, whenever a bigot says something that expresses his true feelings, you liberal commie political correctness police crowd shout him down and teach him to say the same bigoted things in less offensive words. In other words, YOU PEOPLE have taught them to say "gays be gone" without actually saying it. Instead, they hide their bigotry behind the bible, god, their religion, bushism, etc. They know where the line is. They know that if they cross the line they will turn the rest of the country against them. So, they just walk right up to the line and stay there.This is why the gay rights movement is slow down to a crawl. When Rick Santorum said that he'd reinstate DADT and that got big round of applauds, he essentially said he was going to kick every freakin' gay service man and woman out of the military. But since most people have an IQ of a peanut, they just swallowed that BS.You liberal commie political correctness crowd don't want to offend people. And in turn, you've given the bigots the best weapon they could ever have to discriminate against their fellow man. It's disgusting. As long as they keep their words politically correct, they can continue to discriminate all they want. And you liberal commies seem to be just fine with it as long as they stay politically correct.My solution. Stop worrying so much about the words that people say and pay attention to what they're actually saying. Use your brain to think beyond their words. Let them speak their mind. If they hate niggers, let them say it. You think shouting them down will actually turn them into non-racists? All it does is make them smarter.Added by edit.By the way, my opinion isn't popular among my gay friends either. So, don't worry if you don't get my point. I guess people would rather be knifed from behind than in front. Just this time last month, one guy I know (a gay guy no less) got his head chewed open by the liberal commie crowd because he used the word "transy" to describe his friend. When you got people wanting to put you in concentration camps, you're going to worry about that?Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

And I repeat. So far not a single state has voted by majority to allow gay marriage. It's been done in the courts. And even then, they're being challenged as we speak. That's not achieving much. It's gaining ground 1 inch at a time. Still got a hundred miles to go.Why is it that people all of the sudden forgot that they voted a sodomy law advocate into the office twice? This is anything but progress.Anyway, good luck doing it your way. You guys would rather have subtle bigotry in your face.Edit.Here's my suggestion for a new approach. Stop saying things like "it's ok to disagree" or "we respect your religious beliefs". Instead, say "if you don't like us, just say so" and "let's talk specifics about why you hate gay people". I regularly talk to bigots. I've found that if you press them hard enough for specifics, they will have none to give you. The point is to make them aware that they have nothing to fall on. The reasonable or semi-reasonable ones will eventually turn. The unreasonable ones (like buzsaw) we just have to wait for them to die.That sure beats being all respectful of their beliefs.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Please don't make me call immigration on your ass.

Apologies. I work with a Mexican guy who's also homophobic. We're really good friends, though. He often jokes to me that I'm gay, thinking that would hit a nerve. I'm pretty masculine in real life, so he keeps joking about it trying to offend me. In turn, I keep mentioning immigration office trying to offend him. I guess after a while it's become a normal exchange between us, kind of like saying "how ya doing". One would also have to consider my past. I'm an ex cop, and my friend looks very much like the stereotypical Mexican gansta. He even carries a pocket knife around. So, we often joke about me being the good guy and him being the Mexican gansta.Anyway, you just remind me of him that's all. I think I drew the connection where he's both hispanic and a comedian... or he tries to be. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Is this for real? Do you not see the significance of gay marriage failing every time it was put up for a popular vote?Replace gay marriage with interracial marriage, women's right to vote, or any number of other human right issue and the press, the politicians, you liberal commies, and just about every other public figure would be mortified if popular vote turns it down. That's the significance.

I don't think so. Interracial marriage and women's suffrage if put up for a popular vote now will win overwhelmingly, IMHO.

I've never said it was a good idea to put them up for popular vote. In fact, I've expressed many times on this forum that I don't trust the unwashed masses at all. Don't believe in democracy.

Its important because it tells us the societal attitude. Take the Hispanic population for example. Or better, take both the Hispanic and black populations. After decades... centuries of being oppress, over 70% of those sons and daughters of bitches consistently vote against gay rights.This is exactly why I don't believe in democracy. Too many idiots out there.

And so we come back to this. Some of you guys almost had me convinced that societal attitude is changing for the better. And yet Amendment 1 just passed. What say you?