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Author Topic:   Does ID follow the scientific method?
Minnemooseus
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Message 49 of 325 (592119)
11-18-2010 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by dwise1
11-16-2010 10:12 AM


One step would be to define what ID isn't
Furthermore, she can no longer try to take refuge in philosophical double-talk, because she now claims that ID uses the scientific method. Therefore, this methodology for detecting and determining design must comply with the scientific method.
For all his shortcomings, I respect Michael Behe in that he came out as accepting the 4.5 billion year age of the Earth and that humans and the other great apes have a common heritage. I call it "Behe is 99+% mainstream evolutionist".
The Discovery Institute (IMO) would make a quantum leap in respectability if they clearly came out saying no more than "The intelligent design hypothesis is not compatible with young Earth creationism". That would disconnect ID from the bulk of the creationists that try to grasp onto ID in support of their ideology.
Part of doing science is fitting your contribution into the bigger picture, not ignoring or denying the bigger picture.
Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 67 of 325 (592199)
11-19-2010 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Dawn Bertot
11-19-2010 3:03 AM


Re: One step would be to define what ID isn't
Your failure here is one of a logical fallacy. You assume but have not demonstrated that IDMs are religious in nature, then you run with a false premise, believing you have started correctly
Dwise1 cited the the Discovery Institute's Wedge Document:
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The wedge strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Institute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Institute manifesto known as the Wedge Document, which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to "defeat scientific materialism" represented by evolution, "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions".
There is also the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District case, where it was clearly documented that the intelligent design book Of Pandas and People was a thinly disguised rewrite of a creationism book.
The religious roots and nature of ID are well established.
Yes, there may well be Idist hypotheses that are independent of Biblical creationism. I cite Michael Behe's efforts in my message 49. Behe is the rare example of an IDist who will clearly go against young Earth creationism. But in general, the Discovery Institute is doing a piss poor job of separating their IDism from Biblical creationism. Also see that message 49.
So Dawn, how does your version of ID fit into the big picture of science? Do you accept what I cited that Behe accepts? Behe considers his IDism to be part of the larger biological theory of evolution. Behe (a real biological PhD) does the best job of making ID part of science, and that's not that good of a job.
If ID "theory" is to be considered science, then it must fit into the big picture of what is considered science.
Moose

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