A fatal logical flaw in creationism?

If anything, it says man is an animal. Man thinks he's God not evolution. It is not a religious system, it is a scientific theory. You should atleast learn the basics of Natural Selection before stating such nonsense, because then you will see that it is totally biological, and at no time does it involve prayers or gods. Yes, I believe God created the universe, life and man. So does Truthlover, he is a christian evolutionist. Many christians accept the ToE.(Theory of Evolution), even I see it as a great possibility of how God could have directed his creation and I am creationist. Have you read the story of how Joseph went to Egypt? - The "chance" events involved in that story are a great example of how God can pull the strings of chance to suit his will. Do not dismiss the ToE when you don't even know what it is.

so then,with your reasoning,a ball is flat too? It's round,but not flat unless air is removed completely from it.
No wonder some people cannot understand scripture,and I'm accused of taking it literal? Wow,what a big jump over!
God had to be first,and he also is alive,because only an inteligent life force with a brain could create life.God is the first brain and he made the brain.A brain does not and cannot evolve.

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Desdamona

Article 11 of The Treaty of Tripoli, agreed upon by George Washington, approved by President John Adams, and ratified by the Senate without objection in 1797 states, "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion".Where do you think ideas of creating a republic, notions of the goodness of the people, of citizen's liberties, and rights came from? Sorry to bust your bubble but the founding fathers didn't open their bibles and come up with all of these ideas, many of them were Deists anyway not Christians. The Enlightenment ideas, (from famous men like John Locke, a Deist) the inherited institutions from Britain, (such as English Common Law) and colonial English tradition (such as requiring the love of the people to rule in a land without a standing army) were the major players in the founding ideas of America. I highly recommend some basic Early American Political Culture and Political Science courses at your local university.I always enjoyed these quotes from the "father" of our constitution, James Madison, "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -- The Madisons by Virginia Moore, P. 43 (1979, McGraw-Hill Co. New York, NY) quoting a letter by JM to William Bradford April 1, 1774."During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." -- James Madison, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by Joseph Gardner, p. 93, (1974, Newsweek, New York, NY) Quoting Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments by JM, June 1785.

desmadonaIt has been discussed here before as to why they would use the word "circle" instead of the more appropriate word "ball" to describe the earth properly since there is a great deal of difference between the meaning implied by these words.Ball implies sphere and circle implies a flat surface circumscibing a centre with a constant radius.The use of circle is but one of the inappropriate errors conducted by the Bible.

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'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.'
(Daniel Patrick Moynihan)

D'ya think, just maybe, that there's a reason that English and Hebrew each have distinct words for "circle" and for "ball"?

Ok, I can't stand it anymore. Circle = A plane curve everywhere equidistant from a given fixed point, the center. Round = Being such that every part of the surface or the circumference is equidistant from the center: a round ball. Big difference between the 2 words.

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The Laminator

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Some of us christians don't stray from the holy bible ,and we sure don't attempt to add to God's word.You are proof that some evolutionists do pray,and not all religions actually pray,but thats beside the point,evolution is a religion that cannot prove itself by science.It cannot be observed,it has no tests made for it,it cannot be verified,and it's not repeatable.
God made the holy bible with every thing we needed to know.
You cannot pervert God's word to suit your faith in evolution.How much longer will it be until you are a full fledged evolutionist?they got you this far.Darwin must be forgiven,however,since he was limited by the study of paradigms of his day.No body then could have ever guessed the incredible complexity and information that resides in a living cell;something that was regarded as a blob of protoplasm.

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Desdamona

You're talking about abiogenesis, not evolution. Evolution doesn't care how life initially came about. Evolution describes life after it's already been created. For all it matters God could have come down on a magic carpet and farted out life onto Earth.Also, you should do a search for your argument that "Thermodynamics proves evolution wrong". It's been shot down so many times it hurts my head to count it.

Do you read this in the bible? or did you read it in a bible glossary?
We need to deal with each subject on it's on terms,don't we?
Cirlce means round.Yes,it can mean a flat object but no always.The earth as we all should know contains air!
So is it a flat air space?

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Desdamona

well some might say you are a fart in the wind,but does that make it so?
Show your proof then,and stop beating a dead bush.

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Desdamona

Can you explain why this matters so much to you?
You cannot prove it so why cry about it?

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Desdamona

But I am not evolutionist. Besides, I pray to Christ, are you saying that evolutionism is now the christian religion if people who are evolutionists are also christians? Actually, they make more sense than people who don't know what they are talking about. Are you saying that you are a better scientist than Darwin? And why should he be forgiven when he has done nothing wrong. Also, I don't pervert God's word, I just read it. It is YOU who makes out a God who cannot stray from the box, and who is limited. I bet you're getting this stuff from a website were a preacher pretends to be a scientist.Looking up scientific words on a dictionary website won't save you from getting hammered by the scientists. Do yourself a favour and leave now while your blushes are spared.PS, I see you changed your avatar, as you are now ashamed at the silly things you have accused innocent scientists of.

Proof of what? That Evolution doesn't require abiogenesis?You're seeking an explanation of the theory itself. A great introduction can be found here. "Evolution is a change in the gene pool of a population over time. A gene is a hereditary unit that can be passed on unaltered for many generations. The gene pool is the set of all genes in a species or population." Whether that first cell was created or not by God has no bearing, evolution takes place after life. -- I've never read a biology book that claimed otherwise.I find it odd that you're so zealous with arguing against it when you don't even know what it is. Surely you don't claim a person is bad without even knowing them, do you? In fact, your arguments would be greatly helped by simply knowing what you're arguing against.If you find anything in the Theory of Evolution (TOE) that claims life must have come from non-life for evolution to occur, present it. See my avatar? That's a statue of Moses. Notice something funny? Yep, he has horns. For hundreds and hundreds of years Christians in Europe believed Moses had horns because of a bad translation in their bible. This wasn't corrected until later.So, from this example it appears quite obvious that the translations and reproductions of the bible are not at all guided by God. This means unless you're reading the original bible then you should understand fallacies can exist and that you're not reading "word for word" what your God wrote.Just keep that in mind.

Off topic aside... I have written Message 1 which will answer a few questions that have come up in various threads recently. I believe this will be a useful guide for new posters, and even dare to suggest that the official forum rules could include a link to such a style guide; not as something to be enforced but as answers to questions new users often have about writing posts.

Yeah! You tell her hun...<< Mike the Wiz fan

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Asgara
"Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"