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Author Topic:   The Great Creationist Fossil Failure
Pressie
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Message 232 of 1163 (787091)
07-03-2016 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by mike the wiz
07-03-2016 9:20 AM


mike writes:
It does not follow that creationists are liars because they interpret the evidence differently to you...
YEC's always lie about everything related to science.
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Pressie
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Message 234 of 1163 (787093)
07-03-2016 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Dr Adequate
07-03-2016 12:14 PM


Sorry, Dr. A. I changed my sentence to 'YEC's always lie about everything related to science' while you did your response.

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Message 247 of 1163 (787166)
07-06-2016 6:28 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by Theodoric
07-05-2016 1:51 AM


I had an email conversation with Safarti once. He was an ass. He is especially touch when you ask him his qualifications to discuss the subjects he expounds on.
Me too.
He was especially proud of having visited my country, on creationist money and all that.
Doing all the touristy things and all that, too.
Then he pretended to be a specialist on all the rocks found in my country. Read it in The Bible. He claimed to be a specialist geologist on all rocks in SA after that visit. Creationist 'scientists' tend to pretend that by visiting somewhere they know it all.
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Message 249 of 1163 (787189)
07-07-2016 5:44 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by Theodoric
07-06-2016 5:37 PM


Yes, but they play for their audiences. Mostly functionally scientifically illiterate as the vast majority of people in the world.
Creationists pretend that a scientist is a scientist is a scientist, no matter the myriad of scientific fields and disciplines within each field, etc.
Hence their flock are told by creationists that some inorganic chemist from Australia visiting SA for a few days would know as much of SA rocks as the combined knowledge of all those tens of thousands of local geologists who have actually studied those rocks for a living over the last 200 years. And all those exploration and mining companies, too.
Creationists seem to be inherently dishonest.

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Pressie
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Message 251 of 1163 (787192)
07-07-2016 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 250 by saab93f
07-07-2016 6:38 AM


saab93f writes:
Creationism is based on dishonesty and thus its adherents are dishonest
Actually, creationists trained in science and keeping on telling untruths are dishonest. I can give you a list of around 15 of them in my field, worldwide. That's about it. Out of hundreds of thousands of relevant scientists. Rocks in my case.
Now, those creationists lie. About everything. In my field I can refer to the most prominent of them: Snelling and Peczkis and Brandt and Austin and Walker, for example. Those guys tend to publish under different names in creationist 'publications' and pretend that there's a lot of them.
Their followers are not lying; they're mislead by liars and crazy people.
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Message 274 of 1163 (787354)
07-11-2016 5:57 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by Faith
07-11-2016 3:38 AM


Re: Paleogeology resources
Faith writes:
Over and over in the debate here it's just one interpretation against another, because that's what this science is made of, interpretation.
Ignoring data, making stuff up and blatantly telling untruths about reality can't be counted as as interpretation.
Your assumption that educated people will be to stupid to realize what you're doing isn't working for your side, either.
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Message 276 of 1163 (787356)
07-11-2016 6:29 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by ThinAirDesigns
07-11-2016 6:24 AM


Re: Hubris
ThinAirDesigns writes:
Sound almost exactly like the position of one George McReady Price when Harold Clark,...
Who were those guys? Why should anyone take notice of what they said?

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Pressie
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Message 278 of 1163 (787358)
07-11-2016 6:39 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by Faith
07-11-2016 6:31 AM


Re: Hubris
Faith writes:
The sequence and extent of the strata described in that quote support the Flood very nicely. I don't argue with the apparent order of the fossil contents at all, contrary to the views expressed here. I have no knowledge of the work of Price. He's your guy, not mine.
Strata? I can't see anything like "strata" in that quote. Are you telling untruths again, Faith?

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Message 297 of 1163 (787424)
07-13-2016 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 296 by Pollux
07-13-2016 12:55 AM


Exactly. It's so easy.
All the major and minor exploration and mining companies from all over the world have come to that conclusion. Old earth models work in finding and exploiting those resources and reserves. The earth is old. Very old.

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Message 325 of 1163 (787469)
07-15-2016 5:37 AM
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07-14-2016 3:25 PM


Re: Hubris
Thanks for the explanation. I'm not an American or Canadian so I don't really have a clue who those creationists and people who told them that they talked nonsense from days gone by were. I was lazy not to look it up on Wiki, though.
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Pressie
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Message 327 of 1163 (787477)
07-15-2016 9:33 AM
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07-15-2016 8:57 AM


Re: Hubris
But they pretend that they can, jar. 'Scientific' Magic!
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Pressie
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Message 366 of 1163 (787573)
07-18-2016 6:12 AM
Reply to: Message 361 by Faith
07-18-2016 12:52 AM


Re: geologic "Column"
This one really, really was funny
faith writes:
...but deposits in rivers and lakes just can't look the same as the strata all look.
Duh. Those hundreds of thousands of living geologists from all over the world are not all as stupid as you pretend they are, Faith.
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Pressie
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Message 410 of 1163 (787657)
07-20-2016 6:04 AM
Reply to: Message 409 by PaulK
07-20-2016 12:04 AM


Re: Why the Fossil Order Doesn't Matter
I noticed that Faith changed the subject every time asked to explain the order in the fossil record.
In the end it means that Faith is not able to do it. Typical creationist.
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Pressie
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Message 411 of 1163 (787659)
07-20-2016 6:19 AM
Reply to: Message 406 by Faith
07-19-2016 8:37 PM


Re: Why the Fossil Order Doesn't Matter
Fath writes:
That's because I'm making a point about the time periods which are marked by the strata.
You're wrong from the beginning, then. Time periods are not marked by the strata. Time periods are not strata.
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Pressie
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Message 412 of 1163 (787660)
07-20-2016 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 407 by Dr Adequate
07-19-2016 9:03 PM


Re: Why the Fossil Order Doesn't Matter
Hey, to try to have a rational conversation with Faith is like trying to have a rational conversation with a suicide bomber. Somehow Faith thinks that it's normal for elephants to dig and live underground.
Dr Adequate writes:
Faith. It is not only possible, but normal, to live on top of sediment
Kruger National Park. Those elephants are not good at digging thousands of metres down in sediments...they tend to live on the surface. And that surface is mostly flat. Occasionally broken by shallow river valleys in the sediment. Very flat.
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