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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
I couldn't, either. It's neither here nor there.
Soft bodied? Those non-soft bodied small shelly fossils existed before the Cambrian Explosion. Creationists don't like mentioning those. PALAEONTOLOGY[online] | Article: Fossil Focus > Fossil Focus: The place of small shelly fossils in the Cambrian explosion, and the origin of Animals
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
So, nothing about those fossils yet?
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minspwwn writes: Not just fossils. All the other evidence. too. However, sparse fossils also do provide excellent evidence for evolution. All those intermerdiate fossils we have found do it just fine.
If the fossil record is sparse, what then are you basing your theory on? The more logical conclusion is that organisms just appeared which is what is observed if you do not have intermediate fossils. That doesnt make any sense at all. You do know that the oldest fossils are prokaryotes, don't you? You also do realise that fish don't appear out of thin air?
It should be immediately discarded based on the lack of evidence, but yes, you have an excuse not to discard it because you have an excuse for the lack of intermediates. Lots and lots and lots of intermediates. Nothing was poofed into existence.
How that FAVOURS evolution, is beyond me. The evidence favors sudden appearance without intermediates. Now you're talking nonsense. We have fossils of thousands of intermediates. Against that, we don't even have one example of anything being poofed into existence.
Sure there are some minor transitions recorded elsewhere in the fossil record, adaptation does exist. However these are particularly lacking closer to creation week, in the Cambrian Explosion. Ah great, creation week happened over millions of years. Everyting poofed into existence except for for sponges (Precambrian), cnidarians (Precambrian), bryozoans (Ordovicium), fishes (Silurian), non-avian reptiles (Devonian), first insects (Devonian), first amphibians (Devonian), mammals (Triassic), birds (Jurassic). No vertebrates, fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds or mammals were poofed into existence during that "Cambrian creation week". Just lots of things "created" many, many weeks (read hundreds of millions of years) earlier or later. You don't make any sense, mindspawn. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
This one is funny.
mindspawn writes: mindspawn doesn't realise that the difficulty in placing fossils as being either human-apes or non-human apes actually is excellent evidence for human evolution? I never said that. I can dispute a sequence based upon ALL the known facts about that sequence. Not skulls. I never said I can look at just a skull and make a conclusion. No-one is giving me any claimed sequence.Normally a sequence will have one or two anomalies in it, for example it may look good for cranial capacity, but then suddenly you see the hip/shoulder ratio has a huge backward jump, showing that a unique unrelated species has been inserted into the claimed sequence. I'll use a creationist word. Proved. mindspawn 'proved' that we have intermediates between non-human apes and human apes as they can't easily be classified as modern apes or modern humans. Those are somewhere inbetween. mindspawn unknowingly 'proved' human evolution to all of us.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Ah great. Could you direct us to the research you've done on those fossils you excavated and also where you published that researchin some peer-reviewed scientific journal?
Let's just give you a little hint. Reading stuff on fossils on some creationist website is not research. Quoting what someone said is not research in the natural sciences. Provide your data. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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mindswawn writes: The diffence is that evolutionary theory can explain those differences scientifically. Poofing things into existence can't.
Yes human DNA is different to other apes DNA. That kinda has been proved. They say slight differences, but when you are looking at 3 billion base pairs, a few percent makes a huge difference.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
midspawn writes: Really? Who said that? Creationists? I think that you're not telling the truth here. My dispute is with the GENE ADDING process whereby say a human is claimed to have a net gain of unique coding genes over time. Humans have unique genes. So do Chimps. So do Swedish Elk. So do some Amoebas. Some of those organisms have more genes than humans do. Have you been reading too much creationist propaganda instead of scientific sources? Have you been told lies you believe without checking the original sources? mindspawn, YEC's always tell untruths. That's all they have. He-he-he. As a side note, could you provide me with the difference in number of 'unique coding genes' between, say, modern humans and Chimps? That would be interesting to hear the answer from you. How do you measure the number of 'unique coding genes'? Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
mindspawn also ignored the fact that humans have fewer genes than Chimps...
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mindspawn writes: That's fine for you, mindspawn. Yet, you're talking nonsense. The theory of evolution is fine as an explanation for how kinds have adapted minor DNA changes since creation week You're a bit loony, mindspawn, but not all people are as loony as you are. Life is changing. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Please do also include a photo of a hipo. They actually mostly tend to have to eat on the banks of the rivers and lakes at night. Sleep in the water during the day with their nostrils surfacing. To me they are majestic mammals.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
mindspawn writes: Please don't tell untruths. You telling untruths really reflects badly on some religious people.
Semantics aside, evolutionists claim that a trilobite evolved from a LUCA. In fact they claim all organisms evolved from a LUCA, that is what LUCA means.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Sure. Trilobites evolved from 'primative morphology' to 'modern morphology' until they died out (300 million years after their first appearance). More than 20 000 species of trilobites that diverged from the primative 'states' have been described from fossils.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Are those Manatees or Dugongs? Filthy mammals, anyway. Hipos are cuter.
Oh, and hipos have more genetic information than manatees. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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minspawn writes: And ignores all those multiple non-marine coastal transgressions and regressions. My explanation does take into account multiple marine transgressions. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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This one was just as funny.
mindsawn writes: Yeah, I always wondered how exactly flowering plants chose to be outrunning the ferns in going for the hills. As for being ridiculous, that is opinion. When faced with flooding, I would choose highlands. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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