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Author Topic:   The Great Creationist Fossil Failure
Pressie
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Message 760 of 1163 (793999)
11-08-2016 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 759 by Dr Adequate
11-08-2016 12:27 AM


Re: The bible: 14 pairs
I couldn't, either. It's neither here nor there.
Soft bodied?
Those non-soft bodied small shelly fossils existed before the Cambrian Explosion. Creationists don't like mentioning those.
PALAEONTOLOGY[online] | Article: Fossil Focus > Fossil Focus: The place of small shelly fossils in the Cambrian explosion, and the origin of Animals

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Pressie
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Message 772 of 1163 (794042)
11-09-2016 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 771 by mindspawn
11-09-2016 6:26 AM


Re: Ask Stephen if it is a legal document?
So, nothing about those fossils yet?

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Message 784 of 1163 (794114)
11-10-2016 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 780 by mindspawn
11-10-2016 7:28 AM


Re: Intermediates
minspwwn writes:
If the fossil record is sparse, what then are you basing your theory on?
Not just fossils. All the other evidence. too. However, sparse fossils also do provide excellent evidence for evolution. All those intermerdiate fossils we have found do it just fine.
The more logical conclusion is that organisms just appeared which is what is observed if you do not have intermediate fossils.
That doesnt make any sense at all. You do know that the oldest fossils are prokaryotes, don't you? You also do realise that fish don't appear out of thin air?
It should be immediately discarded based on the lack of evidence, but yes, you have an excuse not to discard it because you have an excuse for the lack of intermediates.
Lots and lots and lots of intermediates. Nothing was poofed into existence.
How that FAVOURS evolution, is beyond me. The evidence favors sudden appearance without intermediates.
Now you're talking nonsense. We have fossils of thousands of intermediates.
Against that, we don't even have one example of anything being poofed into existence.
Sure there are some minor transitions recorded elsewhere in the fossil record, adaptation does exist. However these are particularly lacking closer to creation week, in the Cambrian Explosion.
Ah great, creation week happened over millions of years. Everyting poofed into existence except for for sponges (Precambrian), cnidarians (Precambrian), bryozoans (Ordovicium), fishes (Silurian), non-avian reptiles (Devonian), first insects (Devonian), first amphibians (Devonian), mammals (Triassic), birds (Jurassic).
No vertebrates, fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds or mammals were poofed into existence during that "Cambrian creation week". Just lots of things "created" many, many weeks (read hundreds of millions of years) earlier or later.
You don't make any sense, mindspawn.
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Pressie
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Message 813 of 1163 (794185)
11-11-2016 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 804 by mindspawn
11-11-2016 4:05 AM


Re: Intermediates
This one is funny.
mindspawn writes:
I never said that. I can dispute a sequence based upon ALL the known facts about that sequence. Not skulls. I never said I can look at just a skull and make a conclusion. No-one is giving me any claimed sequence.
Normally a sequence will have one or two anomalies in it, for example it may look good for cranial capacity, but then suddenly you see the hip/shoulder ratio has a huge backward jump, showing that a unique unrelated species has been inserted into the claimed sequence.
mindspawn doesn't realise that the difficulty in placing fossils as being either human-apes or non-human apes actually is excellent evidence for human evolution?
I'll use a creationist word. Proved.
mindspawn 'proved' that we have intermediates between non-human apes and human apes as they can't easily be classified as modern apes or modern humans. Those are somewhere inbetween. mindspawn unknowingly 'proved' human evolution to all of us.

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Pressie
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Message 816 of 1163 (794190)
11-11-2016 7:29 AM
Reply to: Message 814 by mindspawn
11-11-2016 7:22 AM


Re: Intermediates
Ah great. Could you direct us to the research you've done on those fossils you excavated and also where you published that researchin some peer-reviewed scientific journal?
Let's just give you a little hint. Reading stuff on fossils on some creationist website is not research. Quoting what someone said is not research in the natural sciences.
Provide your data.
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Pressie
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Message 820 of 1163 (794194)
11-11-2016 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 817 by mindspawn
11-11-2016 7:30 AM


Re: Intermediates
mindswawn writes:
Yes human DNA is different to other apes DNA. That kinda has been proved. They say slight differences, but when you are looking at 3 billion base pairs, a few percent makes a huge difference.
The diffence is that evolutionary theory can explain those differences scientifically. Poofing things into existence can't.

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Message 822 of 1163 (794199)
11-11-2016 8:06 AM
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11-11-2016 7:14 AM


Re: Intermediates
midspawn writes:
My dispute is with the GENE ADDING process whereby say a human is claimed to have a net gain of unique coding genes over time.
Really? Who said that? Creationists? I think that you're not telling the truth here.
Humans have unique genes. So do Chimps. So do Swedish Elk. So do some Amoebas.
Some of those organisms have more genes than humans do.
Have you been reading too much creationist propaganda instead of scientific sources? Have you been told lies you believe without checking the original sources?
mindspawn, YEC's always tell untruths. That's all they have.
He-he-he. As a side note, could you provide me with the difference in number of 'unique coding genes' between, say, modern humans and Chimps? That would be interesting to hear the answer from you. How do you measure the number of 'unique coding genes'?
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Pressie
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Message 836 of 1163 (794287)
11-14-2016 5:36 AM
Reply to: Message 835 by Dr Adequate
11-14-2016 12:26 AM


Re: Evolution Process and Theory
mindspawn also ignored the fact that humans have fewer genes than Chimps...

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Pressie
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Message 837 of 1163 (794290)
11-14-2016 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 832 by mindspawn
11-13-2016 5:45 PM


Re: Evolution Process and Theory
mindspawn writes:
The theory of evolution is fine as an explanation for how kinds have adapted minor DNA changes since creation week
That's fine for you, mindspawn. Yet, you're talking nonsense.
You're a bit loony, mindspawn, but not all people are as loony as you are. Life is changing.
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Message 917 of 1163 (794398)
11-15-2016 5:36 AM
Reply to: Message 916 by Granny Magda
11-15-2016 3:02 AM


Re: Loony theory/Obvious theory
Please do also include a photo of a hipo. They actually mostly tend to have to eat on the banks of the rivers and lakes at night. Sleep in the water during the day with their nostrils surfacing. To me they are majestic mammals.

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Pressie
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Message 918 of 1163 (794401)
11-15-2016 6:36 AM
Reply to: Message 905 by mindspawn
11-14-2016 7:43 PM


Re: Siberia
mindspawn writes:
Semantics aside, evolutionists claim that a trilobite evolved from a LUCA. In fact they claim all organisms evolved from a LUCA, that is what LUCA means.
Please don't tell untruths. You telling untruths really reflects badly on some religious people.

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Pressie
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Message 928 of 1163 (794445)
11-16-2016 5:29 AM
Reply to: Message 922 by Dr Adequate
11-15-2016 11:42 AM


Re: Siberia
Sure. Trilobites evolved from 'primative morphology' to 'modern morphology' until they died out (300 million years after their first appearance). More than 20 000 species of trilobites that diverged from the primative 'states' have been described from fossils.
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Pressie
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Message 929 of 1163 (794447)
11-16-2016 6:26 AM
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11-15-2016 1:39 PM


Re: Loony theory/Obvious theory
Are those Manatees or Dugongs? Filthy mammals, anyway. Hipos are cuter.
Oh, and hipos have more genetic information than manatees.
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Pressie
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Message 933 of 1163 (794558)
11-17-2016 7:18 AM
Reply to: Message 887 by mindspawn
11-14-2016 6:58 PM


Re: Evolutionary Assumptions
minspawn writes:
My explanation does take into account multiple marine transgressions.
And ignores all those multiple non-marine coastal transgressions and regressions.
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Pressie
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Message 934 of 1163 (794562)
11-17-2016 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 887 by mindspawn
11-14-2016 6:58 PM


Re: Evolutionary Assumptions
This one was just as funny.
mindsawn writes:
As for being ridiculous, that is opinion. When faced with flooding, I would choose highlands.
Yeah, I always wondered how exactly flowering plants chose to be outrunning the ferns in going for the hills.
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