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edge
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Message 1201 of 1249 (854336)
06-07-2019 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1200 by JonF
06-07-2019 9:12 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Both are true.

Duh.


I wasn't sure how to respond to that post and decided to withhold my reaction. What's really amazing is that this comes from a person who presumes to tell us about how science operates.
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Message 1202 of 1249 (854337)
06-07-2019 9:54 AM
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06-07-2019 9:44 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
I think you are ascribing that comment to the wrong person. But I would love an explanation of what is wrong with my comment.
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AZPaul3
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Message 1203 of 1249 (854338)
06-07-2019 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1196 by Dredge
06-07-2019 1:43 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Synapsids are aminotes
Fine. Tell AZPaul3 – he was the one who “informed” me that synapsids evolved from amniotes (#1149)

I sure did.

Message 1149

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So first you get a population of amniotes which evolve into the synapsids, and the sauropsids.

I went further in Message 1172

AZPaul3 writes:

To evolve amniotes to synapsids/sauropsids nature took millions of colonies of different species of amniotes, put them in a nice wet warm place and let chemistry work its majik. A few million years later the amniotes were still there but had evolved two separate forms.

I guess nested hierarchies are too complex for your simple IQ=9 brain to comprehend.

Typical YEC.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 1204 of 1249 (854339)
06-07-2019 10:27 AM
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06-07-2019 9:54 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
I think you are ascribing that comment to the wrong person. But I would love an explanation of what is wrong with my comment.

I'm pretty sure it was Dredge's post that left me speechless. Your response was spot on.
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Message 1205 of 1249 (854348)
06-07-2019 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1197 by Dredge
06-07-2019 2:04 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
But really, a civilization that's too stupid to even reproduce in sufficient numbers doesn't deserve to survive.

If we limit our analysis to that portion of the female population which knows you, failure to reproduce would actually be a sign of intelligence, rather than stupidity.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 1206 of 1249 (854349)
06-07-2019 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1197 by Dredge
06-07-2019 2:04 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Dredge writes:

But really, a civilization that's too stupid to even reproduce in sufficient numbers doesn't deserve to survive.


Excuse me? Are you suggesting that there are not enough people for human civilization to survive? I think you might have counted wrong.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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AZPaul3
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Message 1207 of 1249 (854352)
06-07-2019 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1197 by Dredge
06-07-2019 2:04 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
A good start to solving the world's problems would be to eradicate feminism - it's demonic, anti-life, Marxist poison.

Yes, of course. Giving men and women equal political, economic and social opportunities is such an evil thing since it negates the religious creed that women are inferior beings.

Typical YEC.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 1208 of 1249 (854353)
06-07-2019 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1207 by AZPaul3
06-07-2019 1:29 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Yes, of course. Giving men and women equal political, economic and social opportunities is such an evil thing since it negates the religious creed that women are inferior beings.

Property.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1209 of 1249 (854354)
06-07-2019 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1196 by Dredge
06-07-2019 1:43 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Dredge writes:

Fine. Tell AZPaul3 – he was the one who “informed” me that synapsids evolved from amniotes (#1149).

Synapsids did evolve from amniotes, and synapsids are still amniotes. It's not that hard to understand. It's the same as chihuahuas evolving from dogs, and still being dogs.

Hmmm, what should I believe? A mountain of empirical evidence based on thousands of years of dog breeding, or your pseudo-scientific speculations based on wishful thinking?

You can look at the actual genetic divergence between dogs and wolves which isn't anywhere close to the 2% divergence between species like humans and chimps. This is empirical evidence.

You’re comparing the genetic differences between two genera (humans and chimps) to the genetic differences within one genera (dogs)?

So you are saying that dog breeding hasn't even produced enough genetic variation to produce two genera? If not, then dog breeding isn't capable of modeling long term evolution.

I already know that, because thousands of years of dog breeding has demonstrated that there are limits to how far the dog genome can be stretched – ie, thousands of years of empirical evidence that falsifies the Darwinian explanation for the fossil record.

You have only shown the limits of dog breeding over a very limited time period. Darwinian evolution took place over millions of years.


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Message 1210 of 1249 (854387)
06-08-2019 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1189 by Tanypteryx
06-05-2019 10:41 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Tanypteryx writes:

The process of breeding (artificial selection) reduces genetic diversity in an attempt to produce uniform purebreds. There is a target phenotype and any offspring that deviate are culled.

Evolution increases diversity, with some phenotypes producing more surviving offspring than others.


So, what is your grand plan for breeding insects to radically evolve without reducing genetic diversity? You must have a secret method that defies the knowledge gained from thousands of years of animal and plant breeding - either that or your Darwinist model is divorced from reality. I suspect the latter ...

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Message 1211 of 1249 (854389)
06-08-2019 1:01 AM
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06-07-2019 12:57 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
ringo writes:


Excuse me? Are you suggesting that there are not enough people for human civilization to survive? I think you might have counted wrong.


Pull your brainwashed head out of the sand and consider what's happening in Japan. It's quickly heading for disaster due to its dangerously low birth-rate. Most of the blame for that can be placed at the feet of feminism.

Every nation that has embraced feminsim now has below-replacement birth-rates.
If a cattle breeder discovered more of his herd were dying than being born, he would rightly consider that a dire emergency and a recipe for certain disaster. Think about it.

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Message 1212 of 1249 (854390)
06-08-2019 1:17 AM
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06-08-2019 1:01 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
And if a side effect of feminism is lower birth rate then let’s hope it takes hold on the Indian sub-continent, China, Africa, hmmm … ok … the whole world. We could use a break on our species resource utilization rates.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1213 of 1249 (854391)
06-08-2019 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1210 by Dredge
06-08-2019 12:50 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Mutations

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1214 of 1249 (854392)
06-08-2019 4:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1211 by Dredge
06-08-2019 1:01 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Every nation that has embraced feminsim now has below-replacement birth-rates.

This diversion is off topic, but it’s tangential to it to demonstrate that, when it comes to being wrong, dredge is a world leader:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/birth-rate-vs-death-rate (Apologies, I tried to embed the image, but it failed)

The data are from 2016, but they are the most recent on the Our World in Data website.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 1215 of 1249 (854409)
06-08-2019 12:03 PM
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06-08-2019 1:01 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Dredge writes:

... consider what's happening in Japan. It's quickly heading for disaster due to its dangerously low birth-rate.


First, you suggested that "civilization" wouldn't survive. Did you mean only Japan?

Second, have you ever heard of immigration? Maybe Japan will fail due to insufficient immigration.


All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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