Noah's Ark volume calculation

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Within hours, mammoths, which could not have lived in today’s Arctic climates or at Arctic latitudes, were buried alive and quickly frozen as this muddy hail fell back to earth in a gigantic hail storm.

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It is so obviously silly that I didn't bother to read further.

Yes I read it now, and also stopped after that point. Seems great minds still think alike.

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Sounds like a poorly written 1950's scifi show.Edited by bluescat48, : No reason given.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

i hear you saying there is no evidence of the flood, but what if scientists have found it yet interpret the evidence some other way.EG: orthodox science teaches that the surface of the earth has been shaped in many places by powerful glaciers during a series of ice ages. But apparent evidence of glacial activity can sometimes be the result of water action. Is it possible that some of the evidence for the Flood is being misread as evidence of an ice age?the theory of ice ages has changed at times...actually early on they found ice ages at every stage of the geologic history but when they've reexamined the evidence later they rejected many of these ice ages.
formations once identified as glacial moraines have been reinterpreted as beds laid down by mudflows, submarine landslides and turbidity currents: avalanches of turbid water that carry silt, sand and gravel out over the deep-ocean floorthe fossil record is another evidence... the sudden extinction of mammals ... all around the world, species of mammals became extinct. At the same time, there was a sudden change of climate. Tens of thousands of mammoths were killed and quick-frozen in Siberia. This could very well be evidence of a flood that evolutionists dont believe ever happenedso they interpret it another way. They could be wrong !Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

Please show me. You have to show that all the evidence can be accounted for by a flood. Otherwise we cannot conclude a world wide flood. And the time frames have to be right.YOU HAVE YET TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF TIME FRAME IN ANY POST TO ME. Again with the time frame. Define sudden, please. Is it 1 year; or millions of years? How is this evidence of a flood?All you seem to say is if, if, if. You never ezamine the issue of time frames.Please address these issues.

The amount of evidence against any global flood in human history is so gargantuan, only a person who denies the common definition of reality could possibly support such a rejection of all geology, most all biology, and a lot of physics, chemistry, linguistics, anthropology, Biblical scholarship and indeed what was once called common sense.Either virtually all scientists and intellectuals over the last 200 years are liars and/or idiots or the creationist movement is intellectually and spiritually dishonest. Take your pick, but first consider Jesus' admonition to feed the poor and heal the sick.Here is why Message 1I am reluctant to bring this up because debating the 100 categories in general lead to a admin nightmare but my hand is forced, so pick one and let loose the logic and science. After that you still have the other 99 to go.I seriously doubt that as a hard core creationist you can actually follow a link you may be afraid of, please feel free to surprise me.

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That's nonsense. It also appears to be one of the latest creationist talking points.What it boils down to is that the evidence supports one interpretation, but not the other.Right now what you are doing is cherry-picking bits and pieces and feeding us "what if" stories. That won't cut it in science. You have to present a scenario, with supporting evidence, that does not contradict one or more established facts. You have not done that. You have just given us about two "what ifs" -- selected ice age glacial features and quick-frozen megafauna.If you want to propose a global flood, you first have to pick a time frame; having the flood wandering about from 3,000 years ago to the Cambrian is just not going to work. That's not science, that's religious apologetics.Biblical scholars suggest that the most likely date for the global flood is about 4,350 years ago. Are you willing to accept that date? And stick with it?If not, what specific date do you propose, and why?If so, you will have to give up on ice age glaciers and megafauna; both were long gone by then. And don't even consider fossils. They take much longer to form than that.See what the problem with the flood myth is? If you have to consider all of the evidence it becomes clear that a global flood never happened. Only when you cherry-pick bits and pieces that can be misinterpreted the way you want them to be does the evidence appear to support a global flood. Again, that's not science; that's religious apologetics.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

As I said to you in another thread, The argument, "You could be wrong ," is one that can be applied by all sides in all discussions and so has no effective validity. It just draws the retort, "So could you," and then what?The answer is evidence. Discussions like this should be anchored in evidence. In other words, you should be talking about facts that bear on the topic, which happens to be about the volume of Noah's ark.--Percy

Now let us take the possibility that the ark existed.
If the volume is as is noted then all current species could not have fit into it.
So either the ark was much lager causing more problems such as seaworthyness
or there were less species at the time which means that superevolution had to have occured in the time post ark, neither seems feasible.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Got any documentation of this?

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Does it really matter? Let's step back for a second and take a look at the big picture. The ark was created for a specific purpose, to save a grand total of 8 humans and two of every 'kind' of animal, bird and insect. All the rest of the creatures on the Earth, including every single man, woman and child, yes children, we're sentenced to death by drowning for not turning out exactly as their creator had imagined. Hmmmmm. Imagine that, an omnipotent, omniscient God must destroy his own creation because it didn't turn out exactly as he had envisioned. God created the entire universe by simply speaking the word, but evidently in order to fix what he has already created he must drown everybody before starting over. What does that say about the God described in this story? What did he change about man's behavior after he killed off all those really bad women and children?So, argue all you want about the ark's attributes or about the 'evidence' for a global flood, just don't forget about that sea of dead bodies that the ark was floating around in.Cheers
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The bible says there were cattle kind, fowl kind, and creeping creature kind. right? akjv genesis 6:20 these are the creatures that came unto Noah , to keep them alive. right? All them other kinds survived on floating debris, swam out the fresh water world flood, etc... right? Is not that what the bible is saying like Noah knew the waters had subsided when an olive tree had new growth. right? Tree's survived because they floated upwards as islands of refuge for all the kinds that survived apart from the ark. right? the word for "only" can mean "nontheless". right? The bible inerrancy is awesome, etc...You can not find even one creature native to Australia that is hoofed due they all perished. right? due non could migrate from Noah's ark to Australia after the flood. No land route available. right?P.S. Your all trying to put all the different kinds on the ark when the bible is not inferring this at all. right? It just says all the creatures in the earth perished. The fossil record is biblical confirmation of the bibles inerrancy in respect to the world flood that all the creatures that remained in the earth perished. akjv genesis 6:17 right? etc...Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

What verse is this in? Or is it in the Book of johnfolton?Edited by bluescat48, : Addition

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

akjv gen 6:17 if so then, etc...Its saying things that survive by the breath of life of flesh perished in the earth. Its also saying things that are in the earth that perished included things that were not flesh if they were in the earth. right? The only way life could survive apart from the ark was aboard things that floated above the surface of the earth. right? A hoofed creature could not of climbed aboard a floating tree nor swam out a world flood. right? Why no native hoof creature in Australia. etc...When you see a flood with cattle usually they are floating dead. right? The bible says they came to Noah to save them. right? verse 20P.S. Where do you personally believe all the massive coal yards came from along the Rocky mountains buried in sediments. How come less than 6,000 years ago the mighty redwood tree found in all the mighty coal deposits world wide now only are found only in Western side of the America's. The bible has the answer the deluge and the glaciers formed by the flood. The oldest living redwood interestingly is more supporting evidence of the truth and how long ago the biblical flood occured, right?etc....++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++If you do not have an authorized king james version. free download.e-Sword: Free Bible Study for the PCEdited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

You must really want to go to the christian hell, since you've intentionally lied right to your god's face about god's own holy words.Gen 7: 21-2321 Every living thing that moved on the earth perished”birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark. PS - The size is there to make sure you don't accidently miss those words and keep lying right to god's face about god's own words. I just want salvation for you, that's all.