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Message 85 of 438 (504792)
04-03-2009 6:12 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Cedre
04-03-2009 3:26 AM

Re: Avatar
Why should I bother to care about your feelings, there's no guidebook that instructs me to care about your feelings. You're just organized mass of chemicals and advanced animal so then why should I bother myself about your feelings. What makes human's so special that they should be treated any differently than other animals.
Because it benefits ourselves as humans beings both as individuals and as a species to balance altruism with self-needs and wants. It also benefits the rest of the biosphere if we accept this harmonious balance and use it as a foundation to our numerous moral codes as well (not to say that is what we are perfect in doing this as a species at the moment). Read the Humanist Manifesto and it will explain this in greater granularity.
This is the logic that will arise out of an evolutionary worldview.
Humanism originated long before the idea of evolution was formulated and long before Charles Darwin penned his "Origin of Species...".
Hopefully my mind has been wonderfully and fearfully created in the image of God's and will not accommodate this kind of evil logic.
What you consider evil, many of us consider good. BTW, I have no problem with your religious views as long as it does trample on the rights and freedoms of others.
But first I must ask SammyJean to replace her semi-nude picture with something that's a bit more appropriate, I find that semi-nude female especially offensive.
Case in point! Is this picture nude? Does it shrow bare breasts or other genetilia? I think not. Grow up. If you don't like you do not have to post on here, do you?
And Grany Magda should also change his avatar the inscriptions on it are offensive as well.
And I consider your avatar and your very presence here offensive. See where that gets us? You have no more right to dictate conditions and terms on this forum than we do. Get over your self-righteous self.
BTW, have a good day.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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Message 126 of 438 (505405)
04-11-2009 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by ICANT
04-11-2009 2:47 AM

Re: Human life and worth
2. Love your neighbor as much as you love yourself.
Now you and everybody else here can dispense with number one.
But if everyone in the world would keep number two.
Our jails would be empty.
There would be no homeless.
There would be no hunger.
There would be no pain inflicted by one human being on another.
Good to hear from you again.
The problem with the above is that even modern day Christians would not agree with the system of morality established by your "God" as described in the Bible, both NT and OT i.e. God condoning slavery, corprol punishment by stoning, the refusal to defend oneself or provide collective defense against bullies (as portrayed by the life of Jesus and his apostles, which clearly contradicts the capricious actions by God in the OT), etc. For example why does God say in the OT not to kill (or loosley intepreted by modern Christians "murder") and then not only condones but commands the wholesale, ethnicidal annihalation of men, women, children and livestock of whole Canaanite villages and socities not once but over and over throughout early Jewish history?
There are glaring inconsistencies even between modern Christians on what "love your neighbor as yourself" and "love God with all your sole" actually mean and how it should be applied in todays modern world. Would you not agree? Do we still condone slavery? Do we condone punishment in the form of stoning people, including children? Is an iron rod a sufficient form of chastisement for children to keep them in line? Are practices such as ethnicide acceptable to meet an acceptable end goal?
The end problem is this: How do you define "love your neighbor"? Why is it that the large majority of fundamentalist Christians find it acceptable to go off to war to let's say Iraq and take up arms against an defiant dictatorial regime which have cost many American as well as Iraqi lives (including innocent men, women and children)? How does this jive with your view of "love your neighbor as much as yourself?" Are not the Iraqi people your neighbors? If Christian fundamentalists love them so much why are they so willing to do them harm? Do you not see the glaring inconsistencies and gaps in understanding as a result from such cliche and purposfully vague phrases as "love your neighbor as yourself" and "love God with all your heart"?
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : Correct spelling & grammer

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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