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Agobot
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Message 61 of 106 (491722)
12-20-2008 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Dawn Bertot
12-20-2008 10:33 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Bertot writes:

Now this is where the greatest mystery lies about you fellas. You require the stricktest of evidence and nearly absolute proof of everything, (including the existence of God)but will nearly accept at the drop of a hat and a few books, that some women has some strage ability to predict who is at her door and belives aliens and dead people are talking to her. Amazing.

In my book, correct predictions count as evidence. Too bad you can't read Bulgarian - on the forums here hundreds of people are sharing what Vanga predicted for them and how accurate it was. The phenomenon Vanga is a very big problem for science.

But your scepticism is not illogical, i would have reacted in the same way you did.

At a quick glance, this Romanian site has correct information about her except for the part about that Russian scientist(i don't believe that part):

http://www.vamfim.go.ro/vanga.html

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Message 62 of 106 (491727)
12-20-2008 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Agobot
12-20-2008 11:03 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Agobot writes:
Too bad you can't read Bulgarian - on the forums here hundreds of people are sharing what Vanga predicted for them and how accurate it was. The phenomenon Vanga is a very big problem for science.

For your information I read Russian and Bukgarian just fine, thank you, its just that I cant understand it. Ha

By the way in a few minutes I am going out to get the powerball tickets for the work group, so if you youve got any inside information or know someone who does, boy it would really help. No Im serious ill pay. Your a hoot Agobot.

D Bertot


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caldron68
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Message 63 of 106 (491729)
12-20-2008 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by jaywill
12-20-2008 8:22 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?

Some things, yea. Does that shock you?

Not at all.


God is moving on. He is moving on from the days of Calvin and Luther. He is still opening the Bible's meaning to us. As we draw closer and closer to the second coming of Christ, things which were less clear become more clear.

Is it God that is moving on or is it man? God's word has not changed in 2000 years, but certainly Man's interpretation of the word seems to change constantly.


Make your case then.

I already have, or I should say that you already have. You quickly brush away the difficult passages of the bible using the excuse that essentially those were God's righteous actions against sin. I see the global flood, as an example, as completely unnecessary, cruel and hardly a righteous action.


I think you're very biased.

I think you are too :)


Now while you distract the issue about my spelling and sentence structure, get busy and finish what I asked - that is to explain why you are alive and what your purpose in this world is. That is if you have something better than believing Christ.

I believe that it was you who issued the first ad-hominem attack. I have also already explained to you what I think my purpose in this world is. I'm sorry you cannot accept my answer.


Now for me, God is "building" a "city" called New Jerusalem. You can read about it in Revelation 21 and 22. It is a symbol of the consummation of the purpose of His creating the universe and mankind in it. God wants to dispense His life into man so that man and God become a mingled and united entity.

This is the reason I was born, to build up this New Jerusalem for the enjoyment of man and the expression of God. This is called the "eternal purpose" of God in the New Testament.

I was walking around in daze before my inner eyes were opened by revelation to see New Jerusalem. I thought we were just here by some accident on a second rate planet, circling a second rate star which was eventually going to die out.

Modern thought and Darwinianism painted a bleak meaningless existence inspite of advancing technology. I know now that I was created to be a brother in life, nature, and expression with Jesus the Son of God.

Why are you here?


I have absolutely nothing bad to say about your choice of belief and purpose in life. In fact, I think that's great! I've already said that leading a Christian lifestyle is a righteous thing to do.

But for me, modern thought (science) and Darwinism do not paint a bleak meaningless picture. I applaud science for bringing us out of the dark ages and giving us a better understanding of the physical world around us. What I don't like are those people that discredit scientific discoveries because they go against the 'stories' found in the Bible. Thus my reference to the Creation Museum in the previous post.


Not so far, you haven't acknowledge anything beside hell and baby killing, that I can recall.

Ok, how's this: I believe that the NT provides us with a set of excellent examples of how to lead a fulfilling and rewarding life. But I also believe that one can lead a fulfilling and rewarding life without having to ask 'What would Jesus do?'. How about just ask yourself, 'What is the right thing to do?'.


You've done already a good deal of hefty philosophizing I think about God, and the worthlessness of Him. You philosophized that it was useless to be thankful to any supposed God and that you have only your own hard work to thank for anything.

And for very good reasons, don't you think? Am I to believe that everything good that has happened to me is a direct result of actions taken by an invisible benefactor? And what of those things that have happened to me that are not so good? Are those also the result of an invisible benefactor interceding in my life?

This is one of those ideas promoted by religion that I have always found to be ridiculous. Anything good that happens is directly attributable to a loving God. Anything bad that happens, well, God was not involved. Does God have a personal plan for you? Did God have a personal plan for the man killed in a freak accident?


(Spelling Spelling! small i !) See I can notice errors too.

Yeah, but you started it :-)


There you go! Great critical thinking skills displayed there. Assume that a group of rather vocal Young Earth Creationists must represent all Christians.

No they don't and I never said that they did. You assume to much.


Can I do the same and suggest that you take your "students" somewhere to learn how to build faulty collapsing bridges?

Gladly! And they will learn from the mistakes of others. Will you take your students to the Creation Museum and then use that opportunity to teach right from wrong?


Can I take a few lousy engineers and assume they represent the whole bunch of you all?

Double standard? You should have decided to be something else then when you found out that some engineers build structures wrong.


No double standard here Sir. Engineers learn from their mistakes and bad engineers are generally ferreted out and do not find additional work. Science works the same way. Bad science is replaced with better science when the facts are irrefutable. This does not seem to be the case with religion. Have you made any attempt to speak out against Ken Hamm and his Creation Museum, or do you just let it go because he is part of the Christian brotherhood?


My reasons for believing in a more ancient earth are theological mostly and not due to dating methods. And you have no scientific fact which proves the falsity of this statement:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.


This is a perfect example of why the YEC perspective persists. At least you acknowledge an ancient Earth, but you're not going to give any credit to science for helping to understand just exactly how old the Earth is. YECs believe that all radiometric dating methods are flawed because the results of these dating methods contradict their intrepretation of Genesis.

And on your second statement about the creation of the heavens and the Earth, you cannot prove the validity of that statement either. What science does prove, amongst a very long list of other things, is that the Earth is older than 6000 years.


Of late I hear more about prehistoric killer gas, killer comets, killer asteroids, killer ice, killer volcanoes, etc.

Seems modern science theories are inching closer to what Genesis 1:2 discribes as the condition of the earth before it was prepared for man's existence.


It's easy to fit past and/or current events into descriptions of ancient events and prophesy that is so broad that everything easily fits.

In another thread on this same forum another poster has managed to fit current Middle Eastern events into prophesy described in Revelations. Muslims have managed to find a prophesy for just about everything in their holy book. Some Christians have even found evidence for television and the internet in the Bible (Revelations, I believe).

For hundreds of years there have been those that have predicted the eminent arrival of the 'End of Days'. Most of these whack jobs have even come up with hard dates for the second coming of Jesus. All of them have used current events to affirm religious prophesy and all have been left standing on the Earth when the predicted date arrived and passed.

Cheers,
--Caldron68


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Bailey
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Message 64 of 106 (491730)
12-20-2008 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Agobot
12-20-2008 9:56 AM


Unveiling church fathers
Thank you for the exchange.

How can you possibly enter into a loving relationship with God when you know that he ordered the murder of children and infants? And more than once, I might add.
Yep, this is a much much bigger problem than theists like to admit or make it out to be

The problem seems evident enough; the God's 'chosen people' continually misrepresent His character. The torch is then passed to the 'chosen gentiles'; who eventually begin to do the same thing. Why would they not?? Just remember - the God will always Love and religion will always judge. Religion is religion - it will always become corrupt lol. Luckily the God is not the least bit religious. For those who can imagine Him - can you imagine Him continually quoting numerical values to his Words?

jaywill writes:

You know better than John Calvin and Martin Luther? Really?

Some things, yea. Does that shock you?

Martin Luther in no way dismissed the mystery contained within the Unveiling. This is not to imply he did not miss more than one thing within the text which caused him to think it not apostolic. Nevertheless, from the times of his earliest prefaces, Luther encourages all to freely interpret the text and hold to their own opinions; not be bound by his.

Next, Luther suggests he was confused by the different forms of symbolism and visions contained within the Unveiling. They seemed out of conformation to alternate Gospel prophecy employing clear plain words spoken by Peter, Paul, the Jesus and OT prophets. He basically states that until the mysterious text can be clearly and successfully interpreted, it is useless towards propogating the God's ideologies.

Additionally, Luther is peeved by the author's self-commendation within the text, compared to alternate valuable texts he also considered canon. He is irritated 'they are supposed to be blessed who keep what is written in this book; and yet no one knows what that is, to say nothing of keeping it'. Respectively, he asserts it just the same as if we did not have the book at all, adding, there are many far better books available for us to keep.

Moreover, Luther suggests 'many of the fathers also rejected this book a long time ago' and underplays St. Jerome's exaltation of the 'glorious mysteries' it contains; all the while seeming to ignore the fact Eusebius reported the Unveiling was indeed conceded by Marcion, Caius of Rome, Dionysius of Alexandria, Cyril of Jerusalem and the Synod of Laodicea in A.D. 360. Naturally, it does not occur until the canonicity of Revelation is first disputed. Interestingly, Erasmus noted the Greeks regarded it apocryphal, in connection with chapter 4, within the annotations of his edition. Sad fact is, the Roman Catholic Church had never precisely drawn the boundaries of the biblical canon. It was not necessary to do so under the Roman system, in which the authority of the Scriptures was not much higher than that of tradition, popes, and councils. It was not until the Protestant Reformers began to insist upon the supreme authority of Scripture alone that a decision on the 'disputed books' became necessary.

Martin luther concludes his first short preface concerning the Unveiling appearing in the September Testament of 1522 and in other editions up to 1527 in this fashion ...

Martin writes:

Finally, let everyone think of it as his own spirit leads him. My spirit cannot accommodate itself to this book. For me this is reason enough not to think highly of it: Christ is neither taught nor known in it. But to teach Christ, this is the thing which an apostle is bound above all else to do; as Christ says in Acts 1, "You shall be my witnesses." Therefore I stick to the books which present Christ to me clearly and purely.

In conclusion, Luther deemed the Unveiling as canon, included it within his testaments, and asserted it was among the least useful texts from which loving disciples may fashioned in the Jesus nature. It was supplanted from 1530 on by a much longer preface which offers an interpretation of the symbolism of the book. Perhaps this indicated a change of heart, or maybe just insurance; perhaps something more ...

It certainly did not indicate it blasphemous - lol

One Love

Edited by Bailey, : spelling


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Agobot
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Message 65 of 106 (491736)
12-20-2008 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Dawn Bertot
12-20-2008 11:55 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Bertot writes:

For your information I read Russian and Bukgarian just fine, thank you, its just that I cant understand it. Ha

What language is Bukgarian that you are able to read? I just googled it and couldn't find anything on it. If you were referring to Russian and Bulgarian, can you read this - "Бертот, ти си шматка"? (that's our alphabet - it's called cyrillic and you can't read it)

Bertot writes:

By the way in a few minutes I am going out to get the powerball tickets for the work group, so if you youve got any inside information or know someone who does, boy it would really help. No Im serious ill pay.

It doesn't make sense and it looks silly and absurd until you see the 80% success rate of her predictions. BTW, roughly 1 in 20 Bulgarians has either visited her or had relatives/friends who did.

Bertot writes:

Your a hoot Agobot

I think you might benefit from this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Essential-English-Grammar-Textbook/dp/1862024790


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Dawn Bertot
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Message 66 of 106 (491741)
12-20-2008 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Agobot
12-20-2008 2:26 PM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Agabot the Hoot writes:
It doesn't make sense and it looks silly and absurd until you see the 80% success rate of her predictions. BTW, roughly 1 in 20 Bulgarians has either visited her or had relatives/friends who did.

Its now to late I have already purchased the tickets for this evening and you and that nice old lady were no help. Now I am going to rely soley on chance to be a millionare. In the future could you get the winning numbers to me quicker, please


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Dawn Bertot
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Message 67 of 106 (491801)
12-21-2008 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Agobot
12-20-2008 2:26 PM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
A writes:
What language is Bukgarian that you are able to read? I just googled it and couldn't find anything on it. If you were referring to Russian and Bulgarian, can you read this - "Бертот, ти си шматка"? (that's our alphabet - it's called cyrillic and you can't read it)

Bukgarian is a language that exists when you have your contacts in and you cant find your reading glasses and are in a hurry to get to work, trying to type a quick post.

I told you before I can not only read what you have posted but any other language just fine, I simply can't understand them. So put that in your smipe and poke it, madam psychic.

Im assuming sense she could be contacted by dead people while she was alive, that she will or should be able to contact you now that she is passed on. So if you do contact her have her give me a haunt, scare or whatever it is they do and give me some indside skinny on the lotto. Tell her, him, it or whatever it is now I will pay.

Have a nice psychic day.

D Bertot

D Bertot

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Agobot
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Message 68 of 106 (491809)
12-21-2008 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Dawn Bertot
12-21-2008 9:21 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
You'll be better off reading the book that states that the grand, grand...-mother of your wife was made from a rib. BTW, i want to see just one detailed prediction like - "At the turn of the century, in August 1999 or 2000, Kursk will sink and the whole world will be weeping over it" in your holy book being fulfilled and i will send you $1000 with Western Union to fund your sports activities.

The submarine sank on 14 August 2000.

Bertot writes:

I told you before I can not only read what you have posted but any other language just fine, I simply can't understand them. So put that in your smipe and poke it, madam psychic.

Does that mean that you can also read Chinese, Thai and Japanese without speaking these languages?


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Dawn Bertot
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Message 69 of 106 (492016)
12-26-2008 3:47 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Agobot
12-21-2008 10:27 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Ag writes:
You'll be better off reading the book that states that the grand, grand...-mother of your wife was made from a rib. BTW, i want to see just one detailed prediction like - "At the turn of the century, in August 1999 or 2000, Kursk will sink and the whole world will be weeping over it" in your holy book being fulfilled and i will send you $1000 with Western Union to fund your sports activities.
The submarine sank on 14 August 2000.

What you are failing to understand is that in these instances the same person no doubt made several predictions about many other things within that year, before and after the Kursk, many of which never came to pass. In other words Agobot, if you throw 50 pennies at a coffee can, from 50 feet, one is probably going to go in the can, in other words you will probably get lucky, but then you may not. Joseph Smith and all the modern day prophets do and did the samething. The same predictions were made concerning the Titanic, which never made it into print or the media.

Besides this why does this ACURATE psychic need a five month window, cant she get it exact and accurate within a few days? This reminds me of the Voo-Doo fellas that put a curse on you and assure you that within this or that amount of time you will suffer bad luck, ill fate or death. Question, if they have the POWER, why not just do it while thier in front of you.

Agobot dont be so naive.

Bertot writes:
I told you before I can not only read what you have posted but any other language just fine, I simply can't understand them. So put that in your smipe and poke it, madam psychic.

AG writes:

Does that mean that you can also read Chinese, Thai and Japanese without speaking these languages?

You do understand that I am making a joke here, correct?

D Bertot

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Phat
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Message 70 of 106 (701628)
06-22-2013 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by ICANT
12-10-2008 12:25 PM


Re: Re God and devil
ICant writes:

God created everything that there is.
Before He did that He viewed the end and decided the project was worth the cost.

He tells us in Isaiah:

55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Now what you are asking me to do is reveal the mind of God to you.
Give you answers to questions that He does not give a clear answer too.

Since God's thoughts and mine differ so much I feel a little inadequate to the task but I will give you what I believe, from my 60 years of studying and walking with God.

In all my life I have never met a person that did not want to be loved for who they are.

Since man is created in the image of God I will assume He has that desire also.

The only way that can be accomplished is if the one doing the loving is free to love by choice.

God created beings, creatures that worship Him constantly. Rev. 7:15.

God created the devil and his angels to give man a choice.

God created man and placed him in a paradise and gave him a choice.

Man could choose to live and walk and talk with God or choose to disobey and be separated from God and die.

That man chose to eat the fruit and die with his wife rather than to live in the garden with the serpent and be able to walk and talk with God.

Making it possible for billions of humans to be able to choose to love God and serve Him just because He is God.

That also made it possible for you to not believe in God and worship Him and serve Him.

But now that man was separated from God there needed to be a way man could be restored to fellowship with God.

God provided the way a man could receive a full pardon and be restored to fellowship.

All a person has to do is accept God's provisions.

So to answer your personal question, "Why create that choice?"

So Straggler could have a choice of believing in and trusting God.

Or,

So Straggler could choose to believe there is no God.

I agree with most of what you say,I Cant...except that I believe that God initially created the possibility of evil and that Lucifer freely chose rebellion(made possible only because God provided a choice) and chose to become evil. Lucifer chose initially to actualize potentialized evil.


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Message 71 of 106 (701630)
06-22-2013 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
06-22-2013 4:29 PM


Re: Re God and devil
It seems that Satan (aka Phat) has resurrected this long dead thread.

Does that show that some kinds of resurrection are possible?

</badjoke>


Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 72 of 106 (701635)
06-22-2013 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
06-22-2013 4:29 PM


Re: Re God and devil
Hi Phat,

Phat writes:

I agree with most of what you say,I Cant...except that I believe that God initially created the possibility of evil and that Lucifer freely chose rebellion(made possible only because God provided a choice) and chose to become evil. Lucifer chose initially to actualize potentialized evil.

You are allowed to believe anything you desire to believe. That was the main thrust of the message you replied too.

It is just best if you can support your belief with the text of the Bible.

Where does the Bible say God created the possibility of evil?

The Hebrew word הילל which is translated Lucifer, is used in the Bible 1 time concerning the king of Babylon. Isaiah 14:4-21

Isaiah is told to take up a proverb against the king of Babylon.
Isaiah 14:11 tells us that worms would cover him in the grave.
Isaiah 14:16 tells us he was a האיש which is translated 'the man'.

The Hebrew word מלאד for angel was not used.
The Hebrew word השטן for 'the satan' was not used.

So how do you get Lucifer to be Satan or an angel?

Conclusion;
Isaiah was talking about a physical man not an angel or Satan.

Now as to God creating the possibility of evil.

quote:
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

That verse says God created evil. It does not say He created the possibility of evil. Satan is the personification of evil.

So where do you get that God created the possibility of evil from?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 73 of 106 (776199)
01-10-2016 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by ICANT
06-22-2013 7:10 PM


Re: Re God and devil
ICANT writes:

Now as to God creating the possibility of evil.

quote:
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

That verse says God created evil. It does not say He created the possibility of evil. Satan is the personification of evil.

So where do you get that God created the possibility of evil from?

Did Lucifer have a choice not to rebel?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain

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01-10-2016 4:00 AM
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01-10-2016 2:03 AM


Re: Re God and devil
Phat writes:

Did Lucifer have a choice not to rebel?

Did Rudolf have a red nose? It's just a story Phat.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 75 of 106 (776220)
01-10-2016 9:16 AM
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Re: Re God and devil
What is your evidence that Lucifer did rebel?

Do you still base your theology on a fiction written in the 1600s?

Do you understand that that fiction directly contradicts what the Bible actually says?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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