Bible Question: What was the First Sin?

things to note:
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). sin causes seperation from God
ROMANS 6
19I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness. 20When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[b] Christ Jesus our Lord.we all know that we all die physically. the death that is stated in the bible many times, is never designated. so to point that it is only physical would be wrong. but pointing the possibility of that is merely judgment. look at it this way. we obviously know that adam and eve did not drop dead the second they ate the fruit, and we know that there are two types of death (which coincidentally are not always distinguished in the bible), so if they didn't drop dead, and God said you shall DIE, he's pointing at Spiritual death (based on the seperation from God that sin causes).1)it's quite simple to understand once you know that:
2)all beings and entities die, and
3)following the path of righteousness leads to eternal LIFE.
the opposite of LIFE is DEATH. Edited by Mikael Fivel, : didnt' mean to hit submit. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

Hello, Mikael, and welcome! You are mistaken: Eve is not reported to have ever had that conversation with God. Adam did before his "helpmeet" was even created. And, additionally, if you "have no knowledge of good and evil" how do you know whether to trust a man-like creature more than a walking snake?Gen 2:15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

what i meant by GOD TOLD HER... was that she was informed that God had stated... and that changes nothing. she knew.
if my wife calls my boss, and my boss tells me that she wants me to grab dinner on the way home, SHE TOLD ME TO, he informed me. the command came from her, through my boss to me.Edited by Mikael Fivel, : No reason given.

Who is this "we" that know that? I'm aware of people ceasing to breathe, their hearts stopping, and the voltages between their synapses going to zero, but not of other kinds of death other than purely poetic. Edited by Coragyps, : bad spelerEdited by AdminPD, : Warning

those who read this:
ephesians 4
18They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

and the death we're talking about is IN SIN...
colossians 2
13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature,[a] God made you[b] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

I can quote the Bible, too, y'know:Numbers 31:17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.Your belief that the book has some special meaning makes little impression on me. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

and that reply does not belong on this thread, in fact, it has nothing to do with it. and you're quoting a passage that includes a command that was given as an order to SOMEONE else to RETAIN purity within a nation because a plague fell on the people... not all of us.
it doesn't matter what your or my belief is. this forum is arguin biblical text, and you should strive to find BIBLICAL answers. Edited by Mikael Fivel, : No reason given.Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

And you, Mikael, are quoting passages written at least 800 years after the one you are tring to explain, and written by a person from an hugely altered cultural setting. The guys that wrote Genesis or Leviticus did not see religion in the same way the various guys who get called "Paul" did. (Nor did the various "Pauls," for that matter.) Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

right but that doesn't change anything. in fact, the first four books of the bible are books of the old law of moses. paul wasn't even a part of the bible until the first century. he was (and you might know this) acutally a fundementalist christian HATER, he stoned christians, hated and persecuted them. his words also identify with people much more differently than God's.adam and eve didn't need to know that there was a spiritual death or a physical death. all they knew was basic. "you can have anything of these trees and bushes, JUST NOT THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE", easy to identify with them, wasn't it? God never created man perfect, in fact, all that is stated is "Very Good". Edited by Mikael Fivel, : No reason given.

Mikael, lets slow down a moment. I want you to be aware of the Forum Guidelines. Forums such as this one are not mere online verbal jousting arenas where we show up and anonymously encounter other strangers with which we lock horns in skirmishes and wars of words.Ideally, at EvC, we strive to listen more and attempt to get to know each other a bit and present our arguments in a clear and concise manner.When engaging in a debate, keep in mind what the original topic is about and present your points one at a time related to the original topic.Welcome to EvC, by the way.

And even if Paul were on topic, it is perfectly reasonable to look and see if his words can be supported. Often they cannot.Why should Adam and Eve know they should listen to one authority figure over another or even what obey meant?

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The serpent never stated himself as an authority figure.
and even if you don't know the definition of the word OBEY, it's still clear that when you're told NOT to do something, don't do it. God was the only one handing out orders, the serpent merely deceived eve.

i was never trying to change the subject, and honestly i don't know why you seem to be pinning that one me. i was trying to make sure that the thread stayed on topic, and i also followed up on the tangent brought to attention.

It seems Adam didn't quite pass on the message word for word. But since sin is going against God's commands, I agree that the first sin was Eve eating the apple.In Message 12 the originator presents: But I contend that God had not commanded them not to lie or make a rule stricter (Like putting a fence around the Torah), plus as I said earlier Adam may have added the Do Not Touch portion when he passed on the command. We really don't know.Going strictly by the text, Eve's nibble was first.

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