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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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What gays want is to persecute Christians for opposing gay marriage and calling homosexuality a sin. Just like those blacks wanted to persecute white folk for opposing desegregation, right?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Marriage is for heterosexuals. Not any more.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Like I said, Christians object to gay marriage. White supremists object to mixed race marriages. So what. We don't base laws on what the Bible says. We don't take away the rights of one person because of another person's religious beliefs.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Some American christians need to be persecuted so badly that they will invent completely new ways to be persecuted. For example, christians now believe that if non-christians do not follow the edicts of christian theology that the non-christians are persecuting the christians. That's right folks, unless people do exactly what the christians tell them to do, it is the christians who get persecuted.
This is the same backwards logic that leads to the conclusion that bigots are being discriminated against when we give people their freedoms. Crazy, isn't it?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Christians object to gay marriage and are not allowed to. You are allowed to object all you want just as white supremists are allowed to object to mixed race marriages. You are still free to be a bigot.
Christians are being set up so that if we object to gay marriage we can be punished by the state. Show me a single law that punishes christians for objecting to gay marriage?
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This is no persecution complex. You think gays are out to get you. "What gays want is to persecute Christians for opposing gay marriage and calling homosexuality a sin."--Faith, message 418 That is a persecution complex.
Just reading this thread is a clue to the popularity of a punishing attitude toward Christians. Disagreeing with you is not punishing you. Preventing people from getting married because of who they love IS punishing people, and that is what you are IN FAVOR OF. You are supporting discrimination against people because of who they love, and advocating that they be prevented from marrying because of your religious beliefs. That is the very definition of persecution, and it is what you are visiting on gays. When we applaud laws that prevent you from persecuting gays, you play the martyr. Your behavior is absolutely pathetic.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Being forced to close their shop even if they continued at home is a pretty big price to pay I'd say. Persecuting people using discriminatory practices should come with a big price. In a place of public business, all people should be treated equally. If you can't treat people equally, then don't be in that business. It's not that hard to figure out.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
I really don't see why it should be so hard to tell the difference between religious freedom and discrimination on the basis of race etc. Discriminating against persons is rightly disallowed by law, but that is not what is going on in the case of businesses being asked to support an IDEA such as gay marriage or Catholicism as the Whore of Babylon. In the long run, that will completely work itself out. No one wants to have people working at their wedding who are against the very idea of them getting married. What has happened is that a few people act like douchebags about having to serve homosexuals, and they have been called out for it. The secret is, don't be a douchebag. If it is a gay wedding, simply say that you are sorry, but your schedule is full. It would be almost impossible for someone to prove intent. More to the point, there will be plenty of other businesses that will be happy to take their money, and those who object to gay marriage should have their card handy for a referral. Word of mouth will spread, and gay couples will find out who to call. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
In at least one case I'm aware of the cake was ordered before the owner was told it was for a gay wedding. Too late to say there were scheduling problems. Then the baker should be more careful.
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Well, I'm sure they would be more careful now and ask the names of the bride and groom before taking the order, but the mother and daughter who came in to make the order sued them, they were harassed by people shouting obscenities into their shop and finally closed the shop, now the husband has a job driving a truck and the wife still does birthday cakes but no longer does wedding cakes. Like I said, if they want to discriminate and get away with it, then they need to be more careful.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
It isn't as simple as you put forward. The anti-gay group sued the city after their petition was found to contain too many irregularities. The city then sent subpoenas to the pastors involved in getting the signed petitions. The problem was that the language in the subpoena was much too broad, and counsel on both sides have agreed on this matter. Like many subpoenas, they are written as broad as possible in order to gather as much evidence as they can, and sometimes they overreach as this one did.
http://thinkprogress.org/...tors-subpoenas-religious-freedom Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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The irregularities were trumped up by Feldman, the City something or other, AttorneyI think but the woman responsible for counting signatures stopped counting after nineteen thousand because she'd validated the necessary percentage if those to inow that the fifty five thousand submitted would contain the same percentage of validated signatures. Only seventeen thousand were needed, they got fifty five thousand. Feldman just invented an excuse to disqualify them out of thin air. To disqualify that many show fraud. The excuse that the language was too broad is ridiculous. They took out the word "sermon" as if that would make a difference. But just a few days before that the mayor had tweeted that sermons are fair game if there is anything political in them, so we know the word "sermon" was not the issue. But there is no excuse at all to subpoena the opinions of a pastor for objecting to her insane ordinance. This is sheer political harassment. Reminds lots of us of how Nazi Germany operated against its political enemies. This is no longer America if a mayor does such things. The point being, the anti-gay group is the one who started the lawsuit. When you start a lawsuit, you open yourself up to subpoenas. They are certainly within their right to subpoena records as they pertain to communication between the leaders and the people getting the actual signatures. What they should not have done is extend it to sermons, as they admitted afterwards. Also, it stops being a sermon once it becomes political activity. The lesson here is simple. You can't start a lawsuit and then complain about subpoenas.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
The lawsuit was about the fraud of disqualifying the signatures. The lawsuit is over the allegations of fraud.
That has nothing to do with opinions about the ordinance. Neither did the subpoenas. The subpoenas were after the instructions that were given by the pastors to the people gathering the signatures.
Clearly the mayor's office is guilty of political harassment. The mayor's office did not sue the anti-gay group. The anti-gay group is the one who started the harassment with the lawsuit.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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It has to start somewhere, and government control of the churches and other inconvenient groups started with similar actions in Nazi Germany. When you hammer yourself to the cross, who do you have help with the last nail?
Keep in mind that this action by the Houston mayor against pastors is absolutely unprecedented in America. We can find tons of examples of subpoenas being served for voter irregularities. When he was acting as a political activist, he was not a pastor. Religious freedom does not cover political activities.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Freedom of speech in America SPECIFICALLY covered political speech, the right to criticize those in power. This isn't a case of someone criticizing someone in power. This has to do with organizing workers to produce invalid signatures on a petition.
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