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Author Topic:   Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID
subbie
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Message 101 of 1309 (722949)
03-25-2014 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by lokiare
03-25-2014 6:47 PM


lokiare writes:

Many homosexuals voluntarily go through therapies to become heterosexual and are successful.

The interesting question is whether you actually believe this, and why, or whether you are simply passing on someone else's lie without regard for its truth or falsity.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 112 of 1309 (722963)
03-25-2014 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by lokiare
03-25-2014 7:54 PM


lokiare writes:

There are hundreds or even thousands of people that VOLUNTARILY choose to go to these therapies and are able to live normal heterosexual lifestyles afterwards. I understand that homosexuals come out vehemently against these things and claim they don't exist, but they do in fact exist. Which proves that it is a choice, not an easy choice, but a choice non the less.

The delusion is strong in this one.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 119 of 1309 (722971)
03-25-2014 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by lokiare
03-25-2014 8:14 PM


Re: Why are choices fair game?
lokiare writes:

To even be able to say my view is bigoted you have to prove that homosexuality is somehow natural and normal....

Why? Is bigotry something that can only apply to natural characteristics? No, clearly that's not the case since someone can be bigoted against a religious group.

But again, the interesting thing isn't the point you are trying to make, but what that point says about you. THIS is the real reason you are fighting so hard to prove that homosexuality isn't natural. You think for some reason that bigotry against gays is Ok as long as it's their choice. I'm sure there's something in your bible somewhere that says, "Love your neighbor are yourself, as long as they don't make any wrong choices."


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 121 of 1309 (722973)
03-25-2014 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by lokiare
03-25-2014 8:23 PM


lokiare writes:

This is all pure speculation. Is there any science that has identified a homosexual gene or allele?

To the best of my knowledge, they haven't identified a tall gene, a fat gene, a pretty voice gene or a hair color gene. By your reasoning, therefore those things can't be natural.

Is this making sense even to you?


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 126 of 1309 (722978)
03-25-2014 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by lokiare
03-25-2014 8:37 PM


Re: Why are choices fair game?
lokiare writes:

Now compare that to all the things that the law declares as 'civil' rights, things like age (no choice), sex (no choice), race (no choice), etc...etc... It doesn't compare. You are comparing apples to oranges.

And you are leaving out religion.

Are you just stupid, or are you being deliberately disingenuous? Or is there a third choice that's not occurring to me at this time?


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 181 of 1309 (723083)
03-26-2014 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by lokiare
03-25-2014 9:42 PM


Re: Why are choices fair game?
lokiare writes:

A third choice. Religion is not comparable to homosexuality because religion (for the non-religious) is a set of beliefs that guide your entire life (for Christians its a personal relationship with God and is undeniable). Homosexuality is simply a choice of sexual partners it does not inform the rest of your life.

Right, exactly what I said. Religion is a choice, even more so than you claim homosexuality is.

lokiare writes:

Just don't try to force it on me or into my establishments. Don't try to force my church to marry homosexuals and don't force my Christian baker friend to make cakes for a homosexual wedding.

I guarantee you that no church in the U.S. will ever be forced to perform a same sex marriage, any more than any has ever been forced to perform a mixed faith marriage or a mixed race marriage. So put your mind at ease on that count.

As far as a baker is concerned, several states in this country have decided that it is illegal to discriminate in the provision of public services against someone because of their sexuality. Nobody is forcing anyone to bake a cake, but if one chooses to go into the bakery business and hold themselves out to the public as a baker, they have to take on all comers. If you don't like that some of those comers might be celebrating ceremonies you disapprove of, get out of that business.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 182 of 1309 (723084)
03-26-2014 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by lokiare
03-25-2014 9:36 PM


lokiare writes:

This one falls under common knowledge, unless you want specific studies and further evidence.

Your ability to ignore a point when you're wrong is impressive.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 193 of 1309 (723110)
03-26-2014 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Faith
03-26-2014 3:44 PM


Re: Why are choices fair game?
Faith writes:

So we're going to have to take punishment for upholding the Biblical view that homosexuality as a sin and refusing to do anything that validates gay marriage.

Just like Christians of the past had to adjust to societal acceptance of interracial marriage, ending slavery, women voting ...


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 196 of 1309 (723120)
03-26-2014 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by lokiare
03-25-2014 9:07 PM


lokiare writes:

If you need more sources I'll be glad to comply. Its pretty hard to just run across one of these sources though because the billion dollar homosexual lobby actively fights against their publication.

Ok, so you're trying to convince yourself. Don't worry, you're not the first and I'm sure you won't be the last. Just a suggestion; you won't ever find true peace until you accept yourself for who you are and get past the self-loathing. Most here would be happy to help you in the process when you are ready.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 231 of 1309 (723306)
03-28-2014 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Dr Adequate
03-28-2014 7:41 PM


Dr Adequate writes:

Also would you please shut up about "logical fallacies" until you understand what they are? Cheers.

Remind you of a cargo cult?


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 233 of 1309 (723309)
03-28-2014 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by Dr Adequate
03-28-2014 8:31 PM


I would hope you would eschew the vulgar, misogynistic Anglo-Saxon dysphemism.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 476 of 1309 (727870)
05-21-2014 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 475 by Faith
05-21-2014 10:22 AM


Faith writes:

No Phelps arrests that I've ever heard of. I think the courts like the Phelpses, they give Christians a bad name which is a major objective.

Well then, you can rest easy, my dear. You are safe.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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