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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Look at his link in Message 64, his claim for the superiority of his view because of his personal experiences in Message 66 and Message 68, and his mention of seeing "chariots" in Message 78. I thought we'd agreed that the chariots or orbs were not demonic. So under what criteria do you judge his other experiences to be demonic?Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
What you are looking at is a photograph of the Spirit of God Um, you just made that up. And of course you will provide no evidence or even argumentation for why I should believe you. What is your purpose here, then?
and He sometimes appears as a Halo above people's head. And there's no heads in your photo - so it cannot be a Halo.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just that they are unbiblical or deceptions.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2401 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
frako writes: A fundie against a fundie this should be entertaining. Yes, all proof by absolute assertion all the time. JB
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ScottRP Member (Idle past 176 days) Posts: 515 From: Tustin, California USA Joined: |
You misinterpret that scripture. As you have my experiences and the work I have done here.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
No idea what you are trying to say here. The scripture reference I gave says He appeared IN THE BODILY SHAPE OF a dove, which is not the shape of a halo. I agree with you that there is no halo mentioned at all. But it is not clear to me whether dove applies to the bodily shape. Like a dove might mean that the flight was dove-like.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Just that they are unbiblical or deceptions. I suppose I'm looking for a bit of detail. Could you point to one example and tell me that it is not Biblical? I'm not looking for a fight here. Just trying to follow your point. For example, his writing linked to in message 64 looks pretty much like testimony I've seen elsewhere. His other posts lack any particular detail at all. I'm looking to see what you consider demonic. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The quote from Luke I gave specifically says BODILY SHAPE of a dove.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
From the link in Message 64 the idea that he actually saw Jesus standing on the wing of an airplane. It took me a long time to get free of a lot of similar stuff people claim about seeing Jesus. It's all deceptions. Can't prove it I guess.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Okay. I think I understand what you meant.
Are you saying this about claimed sightings of Jesus generally?
It's all deceptions. It would seem so... Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
"The quote from Luke I gave specifically says BODILY SHAPE of a dove."
I find some ambiguity in the words, but after reviewing a number of translations, I find that most of them seem to agree with you.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Are you saying this about claimed sightings of Jesus generally? Yes. I only really have a doubt about one account, by Bilquiis Sheik, who wrote a book ("I Dared To Call Him Father") about her conversion to Christ almost entirely through visions. She's very convincing. I end up ambivalent about her story, unsure what to believe about it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The Spirit of God alighting and remaining upon Jesus does suggest that He most likely appeared as a Halo. Where else would the Spirit of God be alighting and remaining upon Jesus's body? How about as a manifestation surrounding Jesus's entire body and not just his head? Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ScottRP Member (Idle past 176 days) Posts: 515 From: Tustin, California USA Joined: |
It says descending in bodily shape as a dove.
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ScottRP Member (Idle past 176 days) Posts: 515 From: Tustin, California USA Joined: |
The wording is, "upon Him". Not surrounding or around Him.
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