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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Correction: Nobody HERE agrees with me, OR No OE/ToE believer agrees with me.
Nobody in the entire world agrees with you. Answers in Genesis, one of the best known YEC organizations, disagrees with you; I posted their definition. Post a quote from someone who agrees with you. Of course you can't, because nobody agrees with you.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
If you have a stack of thirty silver dollars and you put a dime on top of it -- or even three or four dimes -- are you continuing the same stack of coins?
Yes, just as different layers in the geologic column are part of the same stack. If, analogous to the case of the geologic column, the stack is defined as all the stacks in the room...
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Of course not. And in fact that is exactly what is seen in reality; the cores in the geological column from different places will have differing layers of rock.
I disagree. Depends on how the "same stack" is defined. The geologic column is defined as underlying every point on the Earth. In this analogy, the stack would be defined as every pile of coins in the room.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Ah well I HAVE explained it. Over and over. Really I have. Sigh.
Repeating your claims is not explaining. Explaianing would be saying why you think thata, and presenting reeal-world evidence and reasoning. You can't do that.
If the whole world including the sea floor is the geological column how is it that the strata we find on the continents, from Precambrian to Holocene, are not also found on the sea floor? Hm?
How do you know they are not? But that's irrelevant. The column is not defined by its contents, it's defined by its location. Under every point on Earth.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
in most cases I would just repeat it
In all cases you just repeat it.
After you've got all your objections said of course.
Obviously you don't want to communicate, your goal is obfuscation. The geological column is not defined ass you claim, period, end of story, 30, that's all folks. If you insist on your definition, please never say anything bout the geologic column in the future. That's just impeding communication.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
That definition of the Geological Column is, in my opinion, invented for the purpose of getting around the obvious fact that it's over and done with
That's one of your claims. Repeating your claims is not evidence for your claims.
You have to incorporate all kinds of phenomena that are so utterly different from the Geological Column as we know it and as it is presented all over the internet and on Google image, that even you all should have to see the
That's one of your claims. Repeating your claims is not evidence for your claims.
. Duplicity, self-deception, etc.
Gratuitous insult noted. That isn't evidence for your cliams either.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Right, that's certainly a handy definition.
And true, and in agreement with every definition I could find.
And yes, there's no point in my repeating my definition of the geo column.
No point unless you can produce some evidence your definition is valid. Quote someone who agrees with you. Find a definition from some reasonable authority that agrees with you.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Problem is the silver dollar analogy doesn't reflect the reality that on the ocean floor the accumulating sediments have nothing to do with the geological column as we know it,
It's your analogy. That's yet another repetition of one of your claims. Your claims are not evidence for your claims.
This notion of sea floor being raised onto continents or becoming continents is a really untenable idea, and pure theory since there is no indication whatever that such a thing has ever occurred or could occur.
That's a slightly new version of one of your claims. Your claims are not evidence for your claims.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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And everyone else.
All you are doing is blocking accurate communication.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Gulf of Mexico is ocean. ABE Wikipedia: "The Gulf of Mexico (Spanish: Golfo de Mxico) is an ocean basin and a marginal sea of the Atlantic Ocean, largely surrounded by the North American continent. It is bounded on the northeast, north and northwest by the Gulf Coast of the United States, on the southwest and south by Mexico, and on the southeast by Cuba."
ABE here's a map showing the continental shelf and the deep ocean
Exactly what are the signs of it "having been formed after all the strata were laid down, and that would include the strata of the Cretaceous with its iridium layer"? Why do you think that iridium layer was laid down after the rest of the world's iridium layer? Time to repost... see my next message Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The geologic column underlies every point on Earth, including the oceans. Message 770:
You seem to think that the geologic column appears only in "very definite locations". No, the geologic column is defined as: quote:(Merriam-Webster, note "a locality or region") quote:(CreationWiki.com, note "crust" ) quote:(Conservapedia, note" around the world "l Did you notice that none of those definitions restrict the location of the geologic column in any way? Every point on the crust (which encompasses all the parts that are above the mantle, including sea floors is the top of "the" geologic column. Really it's the local portion of a world-wide geologic column. The interior layers of the crust vary widely from place to place. But we can tell from context that "geologic column" really means "local geologic column. When sediment accumulates on the ocean floor, it's accumulating on top of the (local} geologic column, and adding to it.
Message 789: Drop a grain of sand anywhere on earth, including the oceans, and wherever it lands it is on top of the geologic column. Off Greenland:
Mediterranean Sea:
Norwegian Sea:
If you want to speak only of layers on land, you need to use a different term..
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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We know water. We know gravity. We know erosion. We know the chemistry of lithification. We know Walther's Law. We know floods. We know lots.
Flood size is irrelevant after some point, because the effects are always local. We know.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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No, the Gulf of Mexico is not sea floor
Thus spake Faith. Define "sea floor" and demonstrate why the Gulf of Mexico isn't it. . Note that significant layers are accumulating on top of a part of the geologic column in the Gulf. That's the point which you are desperately trying to avoid. Also address the cores I posted Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Thus spake Faith.
Floods don't produce layers, and flumes are irrelevant. Floods do not sort fossils or anything. You're saying all life would be destroyed before layers accumulated. So the first layer and each subsequent layer would overly all the fossils. Is that what we see?
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Why don't you just try to figure out why it's not sea floor and what I mean by that?
This isn't a game show. It's your claim, you defend it. My money is on unthinking knee-jerk reaction in a vain attempt to avoid having to address the issue.
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