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GDR
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Message 111 of 219 (638630)
10-24-2011 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Panda
10-24-2011 6:40 AM


Re: is my rock design
Panda quoting the OP says writes:

I have found a rock. Nothing special about it. Its just a rock. As far as I know anyway, I am no geologist.

Anyway, I want to figure out if this rock was designed or not.

How can I use ID theory to figure out if my rock is designed or not?

IMHO that isn't the right question to ask. The question should be either:

1/ is the process that allowed this rock to form designed or not or,

2/ more philosophically, is the process that allowed me to develop so that I perceive the rock in that form designed or not.

I have no problem with ID when it is a philosophical understanding of first cause, but I do have a problem when it is used as an argument against science.


Everybody is entitled to my opinion. :)

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GDR
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Message 113 of 219 (638678)
10-24-2011 7:34 PM
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10-24-2011 11:30 AM


Re: is my rock design
Panda writes:

If we know how IDists identify if a rock is designed, then surely we can then apply the same technique to answer your questions.

Don't we know how a rock is formed? We know what the contituent parts are, how they combine etc. How then do we apply that technigue to understand why anything that we perceive exists?

I think that something you're getting at here has gone over my head. (It's crowded up there. )


Everybody is entitled to my opinion. :)

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GDR
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Message 118 of 219 (638691)
10-24-2011 9:06 PM
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10-24-2011 8:58 PM


Re: is my rock design
Panda writes:

ID theory claims to be able to identify if something is designed.
The OP is simply asking for a description of how it would work, in practice, on a rock.

I posted on this thread simply because I have a problem with the term "Intelligent Design". Whe I first heard the term I assumed it would be something that I would adhere to. The I find out it is really a termed coined to try and achieve a political end, and the term has been twisted into meaning somethig that is different than the one would logically assume.

My view is that evolution has the appearance of ID, and you would logically think that there is no reason for them to be mutually exclusive. It seems though that the political movement believes that ID argues against evolution and so once again a pefectly useful term is corrupted. (The same can be said for the term creationism. )


Everybody is entitled to my opinion. :)

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