Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 59 (9025 total)
43 online now:
(43 visitors)
Newest Member: JustTheFacts
Post Volume: Total: 883,341 Year: 987/14,102 Month: 390/597 Week: 168/96 Day: 23/13 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Is my rock designed?
subbie
Member (Idle past 40 days)
Posts: 3509
Joined: 02-26-2006


Message 29 of 219 (482240)
09-15-2008 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by kuresu
09-15-2008 7:22 AM


sounds to me like it could besome form of granite

Isn't that just like you anti-god "evilutionist" types, always taking everything for granite.

:)


Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


This message is a reply to:
 Message 22 by kuresu, posted 09-15-2008 7:22 AM kuresu has not yet responded

  
subbie
Member (Idle past 40 days)
Posts: 3509
Joined: 02-26-2006


Message 89 of 219 (638551)
10-23-2011 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by SavageD
10-23-2011 2:52 PM


Re: is my rock design
I take it from that assemblage of nonsense that you have no answer to the question asked in the OP.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


This message is a reply to:
 Message 88 by SavageD, posted 10-23-2011 2:52 PM SavageD has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 90 by SavageD, posted 10-23-2011 3:38 PM subbie has responded

  
subbie
Member (Idle past 40 days)
Posts: 3509
Joined: 02-26-2006


Message 91 of 219 (638554)
10-23-2011 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by SavageD
10-23-2011 3:38 PM


Re: is my rock design
SavageD writes:

Btw, why do you say that my comment is an "assemblage of nonsense"?


This:

SavageD writes:

It's just imaginary, like my house, it wasn't designed...it assembled itself.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


This message is a reply to:
 Message 90 by SavageD, posted 10-23-2011 3:38 PM SavageD has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 93 by SavageD, posted 10-23-2011 3:55 PM subbie has responded

  
subbie
Member (Idle past 40 days)
Posts: 3509
Joined: 02-26-2006


Message 94 of 219 (638559)
10-23-2011 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by SavageD
10-23-2011 3:55 PM


Re: is my rock design
I said it was nonsense, why would I agree with it?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


This message is a reply to:
 Message 93 by SavageD, posted 10-23-2011 3:55 PM SavageD has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 97 by SavageD, posted 10-23-2011 4:10 PM subbie has responded

  
subbie
Member (Idle past 40 days)
Posts: 3509
Joined: 02-26-2006


(1)
Message 98 of 219 (638563)
10-23-2011 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by SavageD
10-23-2011 4:10 PM


Re: is my rock design
Well, thanks for playing.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


This message is a reply to:
 Message 97 by SavageD, posted 10-23-2011 4:10 PM SavageD has not yet responded

  
subbie
Member (Idle past 40 days)
Posts: 3509
Joined: 02-26-2006


Message 102 of 219 (638571)
10-23-2011 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by SavageD
10-23-2011 4:24 PM


Re: is my rock design
SavageD writes:

There was a time I came here and posted frequently, and each time I would give my reasoning as to how you could determine that something could be the product of an intelligent agent.

Then it would be a simple matter to cut and paste those previous posts, or even link to them. I predict you won't do either.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


This message is a reply to:
 Message 99 by SavageD, posted 10-23-2011 4:24 PM SavageD has not yet responded

  
subbie
Member (Idle past 40 days)
Posts: 3509
Joined: 02-26-2006


Message 109 of 219 (638624)
10-24-2011 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Panda
10-24-2011 6:40 AM


Re: is my rock design
He doesn't need to here, Panda. He's already addressed this many times in other threads.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


This message is a reply to:
 Message 108 by Panda, posted 10-24-2011 6:40 AM Panda has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 110 by Panda, posted 10-24-2011 10:38 AM subbie has acknowledged this reply
 Message 116 by Dr Adequate, posted 10-24-2011 8:30 PM subbie has acknowledged this reply

  
subbie
Member (Idle past 40 days)
Posts: 3509
Joined: 02-26-2006


Message 137 of 219 (640360)
11-08-2011 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Larni
11-08-2011 8:24 PM


Re: is my rock design
Erm. Why bother posting if you have nothIng to say?

How would he ever post?


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


This message is a reply to:
 Message 136 by Larni, posted 11-08-2011 8:24 PM Larni has not yet responded

  
subbie
Member (Idle past 40 days)
Posts: 3509
Joined: 02-26-2006


(2)
Message 145 of 219 (640442)
11-09-2011 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by EWCCC777
11-09-2011 3:37 PM


Re: Brief aside on science
Both above statements can be generally acknowledged as being true, so how will one ever negate itself by failing to produce conclusive evidence?

The key problem is your use of the word "conclusive." If by that you mean evidence such that it leaves room for no other possible conclusion and establishes something beyond question, science never seeks or even acknowledges "conclusive evidence." All evidence and all conclusions in science are tentative. Everything is constantly questioned and new evidence is always sought. Already acquired evidence is re-evaluated for accuracy and to see if a better theory can be developed to replace the current one.

There is evidence that seems to point toward evolution.

All evidence supports the Theory of Evolution.

There is also much evidence lacking.

If by that you mean there are still unanswered questions, you are of course correct. This is true of all areas of science. That's why scientific investigation is a never ending process. Every answer yields new questions. This is in fact a hallmark of a scientific theory.

The same can be said of the design argument. The fact that much of the evidence for design is not the kind that science would prefer is irrelevant, for science and design, while compatible, are not ONE.

There is no scientific evidence for design. The only "evidence" for design is religion-based. There are certainly some who believe they can reconcile design with science, but I have yet to see any convincing efforts to do so.

I do not believe the burden of proof rests on my shoulders simply because someone says it does, anymore than evolution has to prove itself to me because I say it does (and the fact that it does not is awfully convenient, since there is nothing absolutely conclusive for it to present to me).

The burden of proof rests on the person making a claim because of simple logic. Proving that a claim is false is very difficult, and in some cases impossible.

That you are not convinced by the evidence supporting evolution says more about your level of knowledge about evolution than it does about the evidence.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


This message is a reply to:
 Message 142 by EWCCC777, posted 11-09-2011 3:37 PM EWCCC777 has not yet responded

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2018 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.0 Beta
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2021