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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
CS writes: "I refuse to offer you the services my business provides because you have a speeding ticket, you filthy criminal, get out of here!" Well you have to distinguish between legal discrimination and illegal discrimination - a job interview is a process of legal discrimination. You are perfectly at liberty to not employ, say, a gay man if you have reason to believe that he can't do the job, but you can't if your reason is that he is gay. As for your speeder, it's an unrealistic example and it depends on the laws of the country. Here in the UK a business can refuse service so long as their reason is not one of discrimination, directly or indirectly, over a protected class - disability, religion, gender etc. Speeders are not a protected group but neither can you randomly refuse one group of people over another - you must have an objective business reason for doing it. So if your speeder wanted to buy a packet of cigarettes you'd probably be illegally discriminating but if he wanted to apply for a job as a driving instructor you wouldn't. But you'd go out of business quickly; convicted speeders are not a minority...protected or otherwise.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Most black people know better, they know there is no legitimate comparison between the black Civil Rights movement and this attempt to legitimize a nonracial nonethnic group Baloney. It is discrimination based on sex, period. You are saying that you can marry a woman, as long as you aren't a woman. That is sex discrimination, and last I checked you have no say as to what sex you are born as. Discrimination based on race and sex are directly comparable.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, that's a clever way to twist it. Full of logical holes but probably politically correct enough to pass muster. But again, most blacks would not agree with it.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
But again, most blacks would not agree with it.
So what? who gave them the power to declare whether or not some other group is facing discrimination?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Well, that's a clever way to twist it. Full of logical holes but probably politically correct enough to pass muster What logical holes? You are claiming that who you can marry should be based on sex. That is sexual discrimination, straight away.
But again, most blacks would not agree with it. Who cares if they agree or disagree. What matters is the truth, or at least it matters to some of us . . . perhaps not to you.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Once again, here is the decision reached back in May dealing with gay marriage in my home state:
quote: Again, it is about discrimination against same SEX marraiges. It is about discriminating against couples because of their sex. On top of that, they can demonstrate harm while no one who opposes gay marriage can present any real harm that will come to them because two women can get married. Even federal judges are comparing the ban on gay marriages to the ban on mixed race marriages. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm discriminating against Women because some women, a very tiny minority of women, want to marry other women?
I guess I just don't have the ability to put my head into the logical pretzel that makes such thinking seem to make sense. Alas! But I guess I'm not discriminating against Women if I ignore the votes of a huge number of women against gay marriage? No need to answer, the murder of logic will only give me a headache.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I'm discriminating against Women because some women, a very tiny minority of women, want to marry other women? Yep.
I guess I just don't have the ability to put my head into the logical pretzel that makes such thinking seem to make sense. What part of same SEX marriage is so hard for you to figure out?
But I guess I'm not discriminating against Women if I ignore the votes of a huge number of women against gay marriage? Just like you are not discriminating against mixed race marriages if a majority of whites vote against it? Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What part of same SEX marriage is so hard for you to figure out? It's a phony misuse of the word. Kind of like saying that normally we lock our doors with a male bolt that fits into a female recess, but it would be discrimination not to allow some to try to lock their doors with two female recesses or two male bolts if they want to. The fact that there are in nature two quite distinct sexes rather determines the right combination of them. But emotion is everything these days, we make laws based on feelings rather than objective realities or even the near-universal practices of millennia. If the feeling contradicts the objective physical reality, we just go with the feeling. This is considered "progress." Marriage has to do with the objective physical fit of male and female. If people want to have relationships based on their feelings they can do that, but changing the normal meaning of marriage should not be their right. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Are you married, or have you ever been married?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
In other words it's an oxymoron.
Yes I've been married.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yes I've been married. Would you say that your marriage is\was defined by the times you had sex?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Marriage has to do with the objective physical fit of male and female. Bullshit Faith. Marriage is a secular contract. It has always been. It was during the time of Abraham, it was at the time of Jesus, it is today. And we are far more moral today than Jesus was. When it comes to stoning people we do not say as Jesus did "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." we say "Don't throw stones period."Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
One's personal experience of marriage has nothing to do with a question like this, but it's very telling that people so often try to make it a personal issue. Like what I said about feelings being the way things are determined these days. Marriage is an institution, a social institution, it is not defined by any particular marriage as you all want to make it out to be, it is defined by society. And until recently society defined it as between a man and a woman, as the Sixth Dist. Circuit Court said. If there were not two distinct sexes there would be no marriage. It's ABOUT the uniting of the two sexes. It doesn't make sense for two of the same sex.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: It doesn't make sense for two of the same sex. Often visiting privileges in hospitals are limited to family members only and including spouses. Many laws, rules and regulations use the term spouse to determine rights, duties, responsibilities and privileges. Spouses have particular legal standing when it comes to confidentiality, inheritance, estates. Income taxes are different for single and married parties. All of those are valid whether we are speaking of a man woman, man man or woman woman marriage.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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