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Message 11 of 718 (785519)
06-06-2016 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Diomedes
06-05-2016 12:35 PM


I'm not a Brit but their Queen is on my money so I'm entitled to an opinion. Just a gut feeling but I'd be out like a bat out of hell.

And what RAZD said.


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Message 69 of 718 (786399)
06-21-2016 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Big_Al35
06-21-2016 9:59 AM


Re: Important Question
BigAl35 writes:

Yes if she wants to express an opinion she should give up her entire way of life and everything she has ever known.


She wouldn't be giving up anything. King Charles is hardly likely to throw his own mother out in the street. He's unpopular enough already.

The reason she doesn't express an opinion is because it's her duty not to take sides. The royals are big on duty.


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Message 107 of 718 (786673)
06-24-2016 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Tangle
06-24-2016 12:41 PM


Re: The Rest
Tangle writes:

Sort of interesting side effects - the French and Spanish stock markets have fallen much further than the UK's.
Questions being raised about how strong the EU actually is.


When one of the lifeguards quits, those who are already drowning are bound to be worse off. Might be better for the lifeguard though.
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Message 113 of 718 (786710)
06-25-2016 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by GDR
06-24-2016 3:45 PM


Re: Tribalism
GDR writes:

The EU has been an attempt to drop the artificial boundaries between various cultures.


Or... the EU was an attempt to put economics before democracy.
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Message 117 of 718 (786746)
06-26-2016 2:48 PM
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06-25-2016 10:08 PM


Re: Tribalism
GDR writes:

Maybe, but a strong economy means that people have jobs.


People had jobs before governments became obsessed with tweaking the economy. You must be old enough to remember when we had things like flag debates.

GDR writes:

... it seems that most elections nowadays seems to see the majority having to vote for the candidate they dislike the least.


I don't think that's true of the recent (Canadian) Federal election, or the Saskatchewan provincial election.
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Message 119 of 718 (786792)
06-27-2016 12:18 PM
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06-27-2016 2:23 AM


Re: Tribalism
GDR writes:

The point is though, that instead of working co-operatively with our neighbours we are putting up walls.


That's ironic, considering the fences that the EU nations are putting up to keep out refugees.
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Message 121 of 718 (786798)
06-27-2016 1:14 PM
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06-27-2016 1:04 PM


Re: Tribalism
caffeine writes:

One of the things that I think drove the Brexit vote was opposition to the EU commission's failed attempts to get member-states to accept refugees.


The EU's failures seem like a reasonable enough reason to exit.

Conversely, if the EU considers Britain such a valuable partner, isn't it likely that they'll negotiate a new partnership that is beneficial to both sides?


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ringo
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Message 125 of 718 (786853)
06-28-2016 12:30 PM
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06-27-2016 2:07 PM


Re: Tribalism
caffeine writes:

Not unless you think every policy the Federal government fails to carry out is good reason for Sakatchewan to secede.


Yes, I think failures on the part of the federal government would be valid reasons for provinces to consider separation. That's been happening in Quebec for decades with two referendums. Any time you're a member of a group it's healthy to think about why you might want to get out.

caffeine writes:

... given that those who wanted to leave the EU are also those who most wanted the Commission's plans for refugees to fail....


Is that a given? I know that the people who voted for exit are being branded as racists but I'm not buying it.
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Message 132 of 718 (786925)
06-29-2016 12:43 PM
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06-29-2016 3:11 AM


Re: Tribalism
caffeine writes:

The time to get out would be the time at which it appears that the European Commission succeeded in every one of it's proposals, because this would mean we were actually in the situation Euroskeptics complained about - the dictatorial central power which could act without regard for the interests of the member states.


That's what seems like an odd attitude to me. I would want to get out when I found out that there was a dictatorial attitude, not after waiting to see if they were any good at it.
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Message 137 of 718 (786990)
06-30-2016 12:13 PM
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06-29-2016 1:56 PM


Re: Tribalism
caffeine writes:

'Dictatoial attitude' in this context meaning what?


You're the one who used the word. I'm suggesting that the time to get out is when the dictator shows up. You seem to be saying we should only get out if the dictator is really bad at it.
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Message 138 of 718 (786991)
06-30-2016 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Tangle
06-30-2016 11:24 AM


Re: Boris isn't running to be PM
Tangle writes:

He's the general that took his troops into battle and then deserted before the first shot was fired.


You may be right about Boris Johnson specifically but your analogy does't work. The politician who leads a nation into war is seldom the best general to win the war.
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Message 153 of 718 (787096)
07-03-2016 2:25 PM
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07-03-2016 6:05 AM


Re: Tribalism
caffeine writes:

I used the word dictatorial to point out that the European Commission isn't.


That's your opinion. The majority of Britons seem to disagree.
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Message 157 of 718 (787121)
07-04-2016 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by Dr Jack
07-04-2016 7:14 AM


Re: Tribalism
Mr jack writes:

It cannot dictate.


Of course it can. Like any federal system, it has the power to overrule the sovereignty of any of its constituent states, provinces, etc.

Mr jack writes:

This referendum has been a triumph of ignorance over reason.


Yes, that's democracy in action. We, the people, have a right to protect our ignorance from the "reason" of despots.
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Message 162 of 718 (787150)
07-05-2016 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by jar
07-05-2016 12:35 PM


Re: Mulligan
jar writes:

Is there a precedent for allowing a Mulligan?


They've done it twice in Quebec, so far. Keep asking until you get the answer you want.
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Message 175 of 718 (787579)
07-18-2016 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by NoNukes
07-17-2016 4:49 PM


Re: 2 Pence Worth
NoNukes writes:

That's what the rational minds are saying, but it wasn't the rational minds who wanted out of the EU.


"I disagree with them so they're not rational."

That doesn't seem rational to me.


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