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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
I'm not a Brit but their Queen is on my money so I'm entitled to an opinion.
![]() And what RAZD said.
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
BigAl35 writes:
She wouldn't be giving up anything. King Charles is hardly likely to throw his own mother out in the street. He's unpopular enough already. Yes if she wants to express an opinion she should give up her entire way of life and everything she has ever known. The reason she doesn't express an opinion is because it's her duty not to take sides. The royals are big on duty.
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
When one of the lifeguards quits, those who are already drowning are bound to be worse off. Might be better for the lifeguard though.
Sort of interesting side effects - the French and Spanish stock markets have fallen much further than the UK's.Questions being raised about how strong the EU actually is.
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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GDR writes:
Or... the EU was an attempt to put economics before democracy.
The EU has been an attempt to drop the artificial boundaries between various cultures.
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
People had jobs before governments became obsessed with tweaking the economy. You must be old enough to remember when we had things like flag debates.
Maybe, but a strong economy means that people have jobs. GDR writes:
I don't think that's true of the recent (Canadian) Federal election, or the Saskatchewan provincial election.
... it seems that most elections nowadays seems to see the majority having to vote for the candidate they dislike the least.
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
That's ironic, considering the fences that the EU nations are putting up to keep out refugees.
The point is though, that instead of working co-operatively with our neighbours we are putting up walls.
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
caffeine writes:
The EU's failures seem like a reasonable enough reason to exit. One of the things that I think drove the Brexit vote was opposition to the EU commission's failed attempts to get member-states to accept refugees. Conversely, if the EU considers Britain such a valuable partner, isn't it likely that they'll negotiate a new partnership that is beneficial to both sides?
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
caffeine writes:
Yes, I think failures on the part of the federal government would be valid reasons for provinces to consider separation. That's been happening in Quebec for decades with two referendums. Any time you're a member of a group it's healthy to think about why you might want to get out.
Not unless you think every policy the Federal government fails to carry out is good reason for Sakatchewan to secede. caffeine writes:
Is that a given? I know that the people who voted for exit are being branded as racists but I'm not buying it.
... given that those who wanted to leave the EU are also those who most wanted the Commission's plans for refugees to fail....
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
caffeine writes:
That's what seems like an odd attitude to me. I would want to get out when I found out that there was a dictatorial attitude, not after waiting to see if they were any good at it.
The time to get out would be the time at which it appears that the European Commission succeeded in every one of it's proposals, because this would mean we were actually in the situation Euroskeptics complained about - the dictatorial central power which could act without regard for the interests of the member states.
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
caffeine writes:
You're the one who used the word. I'm suggesting that the time to get out is when the dictator shows up. You seem to be saying we should only get out if the dictator is really bad at it.
'Dictatoial attitude' in this context meaning what?
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
You may be right about Boris Johnson specifically but your analogy does't work. The politician who leads a nation into war is seldom the best general to win the war.
He's the general that took his troops into battle and then deserted before the first shot was fired.
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
caffeine writes:
That's your opinion. The majority of Britons seem to disagree.
I used the word dictatorial to point out that the European Commission isn't.
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Mr jack writes:
Of course it can. Like any federal system, it has the power to overrule the sovereignty of any of its constituent states, provinces, etc.
It cannot dictate. Mr jack writes:
Yes, that's democracy in action. We, the people, have a right to protect our ignorance from the "reason" of despots. This referendum has been a triumph of ignorance over reason.![]()
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
jar writes:
They've done it twice in Quebec, so far. Keep asking until you get the answer you want.
Is there a precedent for allowing a Mulligan?
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
"I disagree with them so they're not rational." That's what the rational minds are saying, but it wasn't the rational minds who wanted out of the EU. That doesn't seem rational to me.
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