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dad
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Message 1321 of 1381 (877588)
06-19-2020 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1316 by Tangle
06-01-2020 4:27 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
If I answer will you say it is an assertion?

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Message 1322 of 1381 (877593)
06-19-2020 2:22 AM
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05-30-2020 1:19 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
No. When you believe nature on earth was the same in the past you use a preset belief. When you assume time in the far universe is the same as here, you use a belief. Be honest.

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Tangle
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Message 1323 of 1381 (877595)
06-19-2020 3:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1321 by dad
06-19-2020 1:39 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
dad writes:

If I answer will you say it is an assertion?

No


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Message 1324 of 1381 (877611)
06-19-2020 10:39 AM
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06-19-2020 2:22 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
dad writes:

When you believe nature on earth was the same in the past you use a preset belief.


It's a default. When we observe that horses in the present have four legs, we can reasonably conclude (not "assume" or "believe") that Napoleon's horse had four legs. If you claim that Marengo was a spider-horse, the onus is on you to provide evidence.

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Message 1325 of 1381 (877742)
06-21-2020 11:57 AM
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06-19-2020 10:39 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
I see. A default belief. OK. Do you claim beliefs default or otherwise are science?

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Message 1326 of 1381 (877743)
06-21-2020 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1317 by AZPaul3
06-01-2020 6:31 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
Your evidence is that you have no evidence then. OK.

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Message 1327 of 1381 (877744)
06-21-2020 12:01 PM
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06-01-2020 9:52 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
Funny thing is that if creation started the ball rolling, we would have seen a certain percentage of ratios from the getgo. I guess that is a matter of belief, not knowing. Then, if some processes in a different nature also worked on that original ratio that would have affected it also. Then, we know our nature affected things also. Your belief is that only our nature and nothing else is the cause of all ratios we see. I hope you can see why some people view that as belief based and not really science.

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Message 1328 of 1381 (877745)
06-21-2020 12:04 PM
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06-19-2020 3:10 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
Well, OK then you want us to state a belief. My belief is that the dates science uses are belief based and must be rejected out of hand and whole of cloth for all dates involving billions or millions or hundreds of thousands of years. I would side with the belief that all the universe and the world is only several thousand years old.

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Message 1329 of 1381 (877746)
06-21-2020 12:37 PM
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06-21-2020 12:04 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
dad writes:

I would side with the belief that all the universe and the world is only several thousand years old.


Why do you think that the earth and the universe it sits in then looks like it's many billions of years old? There are multiple different ways that we can show you that it's a lot older than 7,000 years; they are all different, relying on different mechanisms but all agree.

There is no reasonable argument that can be used to dismiss all those observations. So if you are right and all those different sciences are wrong, the only explanation is that your god has made it appear very old even though it's very young. Why would he do that?


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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 1330 of 1381 (877750)
06-21-2020 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1325 by dad
06-21-2020 11:57 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
dad writes:

I see. A default belief.


No. A default conclusion. Wherever there's a question there's a default answer. If I ask, "Do you want some ice cream?" the default answer is, "No." If you don't say so, you're not getting any.

dad writes:

Do you claim beliefs default or otherwise are science?


It has nothing to do with what I claim. You could find out what science is by just looking it up.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1331 of 1381 (877753)
06-21-2020 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1326 by dad
06-21-2020 11:58 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
Your evidence is that you have no evidence then.

That's right, bunkie. Puts your little mind into a tail spin doesn't it.

In science, what isn't there can be just as significant as what is.

Don't think too hard on that. Wouldn't want you to strain something.

You still have no evidence to suggest nature changed in any way at any time.

Your only reason for insisting it did, other than to make yourself look silly, is because it fits your evil religious narrative.


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Message 1332 of 1381 (877761)
06-21-2020 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1331 by AZPaul3
06-21-2020 1:31 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
So you again admit that your evidence is that you have absolutely no evidence. Interesting religion.

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Message 1333 of 1381 (877762)
06-21-2020 2:46 PM
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06-21-2020 1:18 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
When a question is asked about the unknown the real default is 'I don't know'. You can call your beliefs a conclusion all you like. The conclusion based on beliefs is not knowledge, fact or real science.

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Message 1334 of 1381 (877763)
06-21-2020 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1329 by Tangle
06-21-2020 12:37 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
Why? Easy. I think that the so called sates are bogus. The reasons for the dates and the basis for them is totally belief based.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1335 of 1381 (877767)
06-21-2020 3:04 PM
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06-21-2020 2:45 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
Yeah, I didn't think you would comprehend my answer.

Fortunately my lack of evidence for a change in nature outweighs your lack of evidence that it did change.

The only conclusion possible is that nature did not change.

Have fun thinking that one through.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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