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Dear fellow christian, judge not lest you be judged

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crashfrog
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Message 81 of 241 (141855)
09-12-2004 7:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 80 by joshua221
09-12-2004 7:43 PM

The credibility of the message would be questioned, leading to it being called lies.
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Is Romeo and Juliet any less meaningful, as an example of human love, simply because it didn't actually happen?
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Message 84 of 241 (141862)
09-12-2004 7:50 PM 		Reply to: Message 83 by joshua221
09-12-2004 7:49 PM

Careful, I used not the word "meaningful".
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Less Credible of course.
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Ok, substitute "credible" for "meaningful."
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Is Shakespeare any less credible a poet simply because he wrote fiction?
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Message 89 of 241 (141870)
09-12-2004 7:59 PM 		Reply to: Message 86 by joshua221
09-12-2004 7:55 PM

Extremely unfair question.
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It's a direct question, yes, but not unfair.
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We are not talking about shakespeare we are talking about the credibility of "God's Book".
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We're talking about the credibility of messages and authors. Lies are when something false is offered as true. Fiction is when something that didn't happen is used to communicate a true message.
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Just because the Bible is a fiction doesn't make it a lie. The stories the author uses to communicate a message has nothing to do with the veracity of the message itself.
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Romeo and Juliet still tells us something true about humans in love, even though the story is made-up.
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Message 96 of 241 (141884)
09-12-2004 8:14 PM 		Reply to: Message 93 by joshua221
09-12-2004 8:08 PM

Please.
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Well, I'm sorry that somehow you have yet to realize what anyone with the least bit of maturity understands - messages aren't less true simply because the examples used to convey them didn't really happen.
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The Bible is not fiction, imo... But the message would be questioned if one (world) were think that the book has flaws, (except translation.)
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Questioned, yes. But wouldn't it still hold up?
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Why is it wrong to question a message?
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09-12-2004 8:22 PM 		Reply to: Message 99 by joshua221
09-12-2004 8:21 PM

Over your head...
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Beneath my contempt.
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09-12-2004 8:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 102 by joshua221
09-12-2004 8:28 PM

What is over your head, it isn't about the messages being less true, it's about the messages not being believed.
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If they're true, they'll be believed.
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What good is truth if you have to fool people into believing it? Wouldn't it be better to cultivate perspicacity in your audience, which would allow them to distinguish truth from fiction?
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