Dear fellow christian, judge not lest you be judged

Recently, I made a topic in a christian forum, and their talk indeed angered me. They spoke like they themselves are in the judgement seat of Christ. So here's an excerpt of what I said to them (I was naughty as usual and almost got banished). Now I have fire in my belly for atheists who have indeed been a most kind and goodly nature at this forum evc. I was even offended GREATLY for my atheist brothers/sisters. So I think this is an important message and indeed wisdom is from babes, when B2preach said "justify damnation". Rather, justify damning your fellow servant like you are God! (Only Christ can judge) a person.------------------------------------------------I read this; "You are a sinner. Therefore,
unless you believe on Jesus Who died in your
place, you will spend eternity in Hell. "I read this in part of "God's plan of salvation". To be honest though, I think this is an unnecessary comment? It is down to Christ to judge.At other forums I am told that I preach a "your going to hell" message, and therefore, I take a lot of flack because of statements like the above.We shall ALL stand before the judgement seat of Christ, - fair enough, quote what Christ says, but do NOT make such comments about "unless you believe". We know what Christ says, but that doesn't give us the right to say to someone "your going to hell unless".Infact, in the NT there is comments about why God plans to be merciful to all. I am not saying that none-believers are going to heaven. WHAT I AM SAYING is that NO MAN WHO IS DUST can say to another man "you are going to hell unless....". We have no right to judge any person's situation.Quote the Lord, but know this - you are not God that you can judge your fellow servant.Even people's unbelief was so others could believe. Will God have mercy? Let him speak himself rather than saying others are going to hell.

To be honest with you Trixie, I almost seek to dis-associate myself with them. I am sick of the word "christian" or "christianity" - I don't think it's a word Jesus even ever used. I am foolish to call myself christian, if it doesn't define me. But then, categorizations are what humans are all about, leading to "that's mine - hands off", "I'm this - you're not", "I'm saved - you are damned".If Christ thought nothing of those "pharisees" and other "elite" groups, then why would he hold a special regard for a "christian". It's the height of arrogancy to preach hell.It is like two servants, and one says, "you haven't believed in the master, you will be done away with unless you do". That doesn't sound like humbling ones-self to me!I The gentile and the Jew and the Greek --> Christ healed them all.If we are truly "saved" because of Christ, how much more can he change his mind if we boast and judge and do all the pharisees did? That is my question.So, thanks for your rant, - I am sure you know your position, and you don't worship any idol.(By the way, I wasn't getting at you cos u said "fellow christian", I understand what you mean - yes, I guess I am just tired of the term, it seems to represent something I'm not nowadays)This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-06-2004 04:27 PM

AFOTTOC, lol. Well, you see - we're trying to find names for ourselves again. This is our problem, but I think the "naming" itself can cause all of our troubles.So I think for now, we don't need to name ourselves amonst the christian. It's not like Christ says we need this term. As long as we confess a belief in Christ, and profess this, aswell as following his teachings (which is an everyday unfinished task), then we might even benefit from our strange and nameless pursuit.Then again, there's the problem of "are you a christian" - if you say "no" they might think you have denied Christ. Ho hum.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-06-2004 04:41 PM

But it says; "You are a sinner. Therefore,
unless you believe on Jesus Who died in your
place, you will spend eternity in Hell. "Now, it obviously means that whoever reads this, they are infact, flat out saying, " unless you believe on Jesus, you will spend eternity in hell".Now I agree everybody sins, but this is a judgement of all none-believers. It is saying that all none-believers will spend eternity in hell.MY POINT is, that even if Christ himself comes down and says "I agree", at what time did he give any christian the right to say - flat out, to all none-believers that they are going to hell?If there is a judgement to be had, then let Christ do it. If they claim to believe, then they will know that all things hidden shall be made known. Therefore, it is my opinion that NO JUDGEMENT BY A FELLOW SERVANT is justified.If we say; Christ says {quote end [quote] - then fair enough, we are giving the message of the LORD's words. BIG difference!

BTW, I was brought up catholic, but I am not anymore. I have to admitt - the whole concept confuses me. Church/confessing to men/ritual prayers etc. To be honest, it bored me stiff. I think it's not my thing but that doesn't mean the participants are not genuine believers.The pope and all them, those guys are alien to me. I really fail to relate to that kind of "belief". It's too religious for me, rituals etc.I have nothing against the participants though, a lot must be genuine.I've never prayed to Mary though, unless if they said "it's time for prayer" in school, and even then I couldn't remember the words. Forgive me Jar, it's been thirteen years since my last confession.

I suppose another aspect to this guys, is that a female may well relate to a female "head" of some kind. Many women seem to enjoy the Mary figure, yet I have never given her much thought. Cos I have a brand new Reptar. However, aren't these catholic notions, "mother of God" etc.I suppose that I never thought of God as macho and therefore, I prefer God to be more feminine in a way. I suppose I see God in mothers/women. Kindness etc..This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-08-2004 06:01 PM

Me too, but then, God is found in good. If I see man with his weapons etc.. and woman with her kindness, then I can tell u right now, I see God in woman rather than man.

Is this innuendo?I also see God as presence, afterall he is a spirit.My point was that I guess I would understand a female wanting some kind of "head" female figure.

Christ was prophecised all over the bible.Try chapter 28, Isaiah, a corner stone, and with "stammering lips and another tongue" - precept after precept he will speak to "this people", a "cornerstone". A "light unto the Gentiles".Why don't you read with eyes that are not closed Shraff? How about God with us, born of a virgin. I fear nothing shall satisfy.So Jar saying "no one has shown where Christ is prophecised" is at best faulty logic. Even if his assertion is true, despite the obviousness of the references in Isaiah, Jar still preacheth an anti-bible statement, admitting he has no interest or belief in the bible, just like you.Yet just because a person might not have found the prophecy - doesn't mean it isn't there. Faulty logic, Miss Phd.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-10-2004 12:50 PM

From the time that it was, there AM I, and now the Lord God, and his spirit hath sent me.Because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto theeand this is his name, whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESSNew Testament; We are the righteousness of God in ChristIf Isaiah says all righteousness is as filthy rags, why then would we call God our righteousness? It only makes sense if Christ has came and taken away our rags. Otherwise, God is saying that our righteousness is as rags and therefore God would be as a rag. This is not so, only now do we understand whom have ears that are opened.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-10-2004 12:59 PM

I find it annoying at best, that if I promote a topic of none-judgement, still the attackers come.This is not a topic for Jar and his anti-biblists to assert that Christ isn't in the bible! I urge all nay sayers of doubt to flurry and prosper in a creationist thread and/or a place to attack my bibleGod. Thankyou.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-10-2004 12:55 PM

Ahh. The Lord Jesus Christ. It even said above it something about Christ at the top of the page. Which one? So many of them seem to describe what happened in Jesus's day. He did speak in a tongue and precepts, to the religious of his day. He is a light unto the Gentiles, who else has been? And the part I mentioned about righteousness, did it escape you? I beg to differ. You're never going to get anything that will satisfy your doubts. I have even offered pretty clear references. I suggest you read that chapter and just listen to how similar it was to what happened in the NT.Did you miss I am? Christ said that before Abraham I am. But I shall say no more. Now Jar has binned his map thinking his own wisdom is better than the map makers. He now seeks his own map, which doesn't include bibleGod. But that doesn't mean he is right, it just means he is left.Also, your claims about bibleGod being against women etc. You can't possibly expect me to not differentiate between and event and a teaching? Or do you think I am one sojourning in the land of Israel? Think about it. I don't have the law of sin and death, but the law of the spirit of life. Come on Shraffy, don't mince words, all evc warriors are cold warriors. I doubt you will find anything in Isaiah, but I can tell you now, the words jump off the page of that book if only you could ask the spirit to reveal that which you cannot see. Also, how can I be wrong if I have the truth?This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-10-2004 06:19 PM

Shraff, you really have let us down here. Ahaha. Or rather - Schraffy ignores my quotes and everything I've said about how these prophecies must have meant Christ. There's about sixty chapters in Isaiah alone. This book has a lot of prophecies in it concerning Christ.If you want to ignore my documentation, and seek speech concerning some critical thinking "out", fair enough. Meanwhile, I stand by the truth. I think if you are truly objective, then you will see that it is reasonable that these prophecies meant Christ.Jar; I have shown that the bible prophecised Christ, if you seek to stay on the comforting left, and stop your ears, what more can I do?

Then said I, here AM I; send me.
And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; And see ye indeed, but perceive not....make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes.

Yet Jar, you seem to have interpretations that I don't come across very often. For example, you say that people don't need to believe in Christ or the bible. Do you prefer the crowd's voice rather than the cross's?This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-11-2004 06:42 PM